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wangdaning
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 Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: L to Z |
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| Ok, so I have been in china since April on a tourist visa. I am currently looking for work, but I am very confused about what will be needed to change my L to a Z. I have read that I need proof of my temporary residence, but I know this is China (every night I stayed in a different place). Can I go to Hongkong or do I have to go to the USA? I have some offers, but I want to clarify where I need to go. If Hongkong is not working I know I can mail my passport to my mom/brother in the USA to get it processed. I really just want some clarification as to where one can do the conversion easiest. |
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Anda
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sheeba
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: |
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http://www.shanghaiexpat.com/community/index.php/2008/04/25/guide_to_getting_your_z_visa_work_aamp_r?blog=5
Check out this site. Some useful information. I copy the applying for residence permit detail.
7) Apply for Residence Permit
Once the Work Permit is in hand, you must then go to the PSB�s Entry Exit Bureau at 1500 Min Sheng Rd. in Pudong, to apply for a Residence permit. Bring the following information to apply:
1. A Completed Visa Application form WITH COMPANY SEAL
1. Your Work Permit
2. Your Health Certificate
3. Your Pink Temporary residence registration
4. A copy of the business license (** this is where they MAY ask for the ORIGINAL Document)
5. A copy of the organization code certificate
5**. A copy of the permit for foreign investment enterprise (if your company is a WOFE)
6. Employment registration form
7. Passport
8. 1 Passport photos
I think that they will see from your passport that you have not registered with the PSB so I'm not sure what they will do. If you stayed at hotels maybe they will require some sort of form. This is something I am looking into now. |
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Anda
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: Um |
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If you stay at an approved hotel meaning somewhat expensive then they supply details to the PSB but the cheap places don't.
If you go to one of your own embassies, say with a dried wet passport and apply for a new passport then this could help provided it was done outside of China. China is not the West and if you break the rules then they are most likely going to be telling you to go back to your home country to apply for a Z visa.
Saying that you have only stayed a night at each place won't cut it as like me they are going to doubt you didn't spent 3 or 4 days at many of your stops.
When I first started teaching English in South Korea things were very easy visa wise but nowadays one would have to be a fool to try things like teaching on a tourist visa etc. |
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North China Laowei
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Um |
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| Anda wrote: |
If you stay at an approved hotel meaning somewhat expensive then they supply details to the PSB but the cheap places don't.
If you go to one of your own embassies, say with a dried wet passport and apply for a new passport then this could help provided it was done outside of China. China is not the West and if you break the rules then they are most likely going to be telling you to go back to your home country to apply for a Z visa.
Saying that you have only stayed a night at each place won't cut it as like me they are going to doubt you didn't spent 3 or 4 days at many of your stops.
When I first started teaching English in South Korea things were very easy visa wise but nowadays one would have to be a fool to try things like teaching on a tourist visa etc. |
Anda,
Usually you are very on the mark but I will take issue with one thing, here, while agreeing with all of the others.
First, I want to know why once more on this Board we are discussing illegalities. Look, if the OP wants to sneak into the country, does not want to register, wants to arrive on a tourist visa and 10,000 other administrative nightmares, then we should let him. After all, it's his or her life and his or her time explaining to the PSB why he or she did what he or she did or didn't do.
But more importantly, as I posted elsewhere, there has been a big change on this Board this summer.
Nearly four-or-fives a week a thread goes up on "how can I do something illegal in China and get away with it"...that is not particularly thoughtful of the rest of us here on this Board nor is it particularly respectful of Dave's Cafe.
I for one take strong issues with these kind of posts.
That being said, any hotel in China that can accept a foreign guest must and does register the foreign guest with the PSB. One only need ask for a copy of the registration with stamp and it is given, with a frown perhaps, but it is given.
All the best,
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Anda
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: Um |
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North China Laowei when I started out into this game I used to do visa runs every three months in Korea on a tourist visa but after finding that I enjoyed English teaching I went back to Australia and got into Uni and got the right paperwork. So I was a naughty boy 18 years ago.
The reason I would say that we are getting so many of this type of posts is the result of the sudden crackdown on teaching on other than a z visa / resident visa. Also it wasn't very long ago that one could change from a tourist visa to a resident visa in country in some provinces. The other thing is that probably some don't want to get tied up with a contract outside of China without seeing where they will live and work and under what conditions. Then you will have your true backpacker that only wants to work a month or two at different locations. So now its Z / resident visa or nothing so those that were used to the old way are still in shock.
So considering that the above posters have been here for about four months I tend to excuse them somewhat as they could have come to China thinking that things wouldn't change so quickly. Anyway they could be getting stuck for money at this stage so I've answered as best I can.
Sending a visa home while still in China is not going to work for instance. I'm not up on whole situation but I know that Hong Kong and Seoul have been out for visa runs for a while but I'm not aware of other countries like the Philippines are like for Westeners wanting a Z visa.
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sheeba
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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I think that is a fair answer from Anda. And you didn't google it! Fair play!
Seriously though. It's a gamble whatever you do. Turn up on your fresh Z visa and then realise you're working with misfits and a boss that takes you for a ride. It's as bad as working illegaly. You quit and 'hey' you're back to square one again but with no salary and unexpected consequences. I say fairplay to those on L visas trying to find a fair deal. Horrible recruiters deserve a dog fight rather than conning you on some stupid game of words on e-mails or phone interviews from the other side of the world. |
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Anda
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