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Samantha
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| Yes. For 5 years, then no more, following what "notamiss" posted. But then at that time you must also dispose of your foreign plated vehicle. |
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jfurgers
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| Samantha wrote: |
| Yes. For 5 years, then no more, following what "notamiss" posted. But then at that time you must also dispose of your foreign plated vehicle. |
So after renewing it year after year for five years, if I don't want to be a resident, would I have to apply for the FM3?? I thought the FM3 is something that can be renewed forever if one only wants to live here on a work visa. |
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notamiss
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| So after renewing it year after year for five years, if I don't want to be a resident, would I have to apply for the FM3?? |
What "it" do you mean? Assuming you mean the FM2, if you don't want to be a resident, you are free to leave Mexico. If you are still living in Mexico, you are now a permanent resident. You just hold on to your FM2, and you no longer have to renew anything, you no longer have trek to Migraci�n every year, and you no longer have to pay the annual fees. Easy-peasy (cause I never had any foreign-plated vehicle). |
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notamiss
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| Do you have to renew the FM2 once a year like the FM3?? |
Yes, for four years. Then when you go back for the fifth year, the process is different (although the documents are essentially the same). It takes longer to get the FM2 back, but when you get it back, you are a permanent resident, and as I mentioned in the above post, you don't have to go renewing it any more.
Sorry for being a bit repetitious. I made the above post first, and then I saw your question that I quoted here.
Something that may not be clear is that work/non-working status is independent of whether the visa is FM2 or FM3. Either one of the two types of visas can be issued with or without authorization to work.
I started with a family-dependent FM2 since I came to Mexico with my Mexican husband, but after a couple of years I got a job offer, so the employer helped me go through the tr�mites of changing my FM2 to include authorization to work for them.
After they dumped me, I applied for independiente status and obtained it, and I've been freelance ever since. |
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jfurgers
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the information notamiss. It cleared things up for me. You too Samantha. 
I have two booklets from INM, one says FM3 non migrant and the other one says FM2 migrante.
Perhaps an FM2 lets people know you're wanting to stay in Mexico for a long period of time?
Anyway, thanks again! |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| jfurgers wrote: |
Thanks for the information notamiss. It cleared things up for me. You too Samantha.
I have two booklets from INM, one says FM3 non migrant and the other one says FM2 migrante.
Perhaps an FM2 lets people know you're wanting to stay in Mexico for a long period of time? Anyway, thanks again! |
There is a certain truth in that statement, as for example. You usually need an FM2 to obtain credit (although I got my car credit when I only had an FM3, with the help of a director friend in HSBC  , and thereafter I was bombarded with credit offers) |
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jfurgers
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| Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks Phil_K! |
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guatetaliana
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Location: Monterrey, Nuevo Le�n, Mexico
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Sorry to be dragging up an old thread, but I'm wondering if anyone has ever seen any statistics or reports on the number of US citizens working without FM2 or FM3 in Mexico? I read that article from The News that was linked in this thread, but it didn't mention any statistics, which I would imagine are hard to find or vague. Still, curious. I would like to reference such a figure in a project I'm working on.
Additionally, is there anyone who can explain why it is that FM3s are sometimes so hard to obtain and why schools often decline to help secure them for their foreign employees? I had several schools last yr tell me they wanted to employ me but wouldn't be able to do any paperwork (even if it just meant providing their end of the required docs). I worked for a bilingual private school that hired me with the claim they would help obtain the visa and of course never did.
Why does this happen? If it only takes a matter of weeks to process when done properly, what keeps schools from sponsoring an FM3, even if it's just the paperwork end? |
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jfurgers
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: |
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From my limited experience i would say that if a school doesn't even want to give you the documents to help you get a FM3 then you should forget about working for such a school.
One reason why I'm getting the FM2 is because I don't want to be stuck to a school. What if I want to bail for a better job or the school just isn't working out for me??
The school I'm at now gave me a letter plus documents showing they had paid their taxes. That was when I was going to do the FM3 but I've since changed my mind and am getting my FM2 this week.
of course they didn't help me finacially with either visa. Get your FM2, you won't need any school sposor you and you won't have to have your degree or certificate apostilled. |
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notamiss
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notamiss
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Actually, as I mentioned above, whether you have an FM2 or FM3 is independent of what kind of work permission you have. Either kind of visa can be non-working, employer-linked, or freelance. My FM2 has been all three, in succession. I did have to present apostilled degrees when I changed from a non-working to an employer-linked visa (can't remember whether I also had to present them again when I changed to freelance).
The main practical differences between an FM2 and FM3 are:
- FM2 is more restrictive about how long you can be out of Mexico; and
- FM2 is more expensive for the annual renewal (but if you intend to stay in Mexico long-term, this is offset by not having to renew any more after the first 5 years). |
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Samantha
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| jfurgers, I am curious where you got the idea that you didn't need permission to work if you obtain an FM2? As Notamiss posted, you will need work permission for an FM3 or an FM2. |
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MO39
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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| guatetaliana wrote: |
Additionally, is there anyone who can explain why it is that FM3s are sometimes so hard to obtain and why schools often decline to help secure them for their foreign employees? ....
Why does this happen? If it only takes a matter of weeks to process when done properly, what keeps schools from sponsoring an FM3, even if it's just the paperwork end? |
I don't have any statistics for you, but I would guess that lots of schools don't want to bother helping you get an FM3 because to them it is a bother. Just one more task they can do without! Also, if you end up working for them off the books, they avoid paying taxes for you (more paperwork) and sometimes keep taxes they discount from your salary for themselves, so I've heard. If you're not working for them legally, it's easier for them to get rid of you, if things work out that way, and, in general, not deal with you fairly, including giving you perks legally-required by the government. As jfurgers suggests, a school like that is not worth working for, and I heartily concur! |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Samantha wrote: |
| jfurgers, I am curious where you got the idea that you didn't need permission to work if you obtain an FM2? As Notamiss posted, you will need work permission for an FM3 or an FM2. |
Can you not be an economic dependent of a Mexican national? I think I've seen that somewhere. |
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jfurgers
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Samantha wrote: |
| jfurgers, I am curious where you got the idea that you didn't need permission to work if you obtain an FM2? As Notamiss posted, you will need work permission for an FM3 or an FM2. |
My FM2 allows me to do whatever. That's what they told me at migracion. I just have to let them know where I'm working once I start. I didn't say I don't need permission to work (did I? It was early when I posted),I think I said I didn't need any papers from HH to get my FM2.
Our marriage has been recognized in Mexico,but the FM2 isn't dependent on my wife supporting me financially.
It says something like I'll be able to do any kind of work as long as it's honest or something like that.
The people we met atmigracion were VERY helpful and friendly. They just made it clear that we need to let them know when I start working. I asked a lawyer Imet there about the tax ID because I want to do two things maybe. Teach privats and work at a school. She said to let hacienda know that you want to do two activities so they can note that.
Sorry for the confusion Samantha, I know I need permission to work btu I didn't need any papers from HH for my FM2. |
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