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originaloli



Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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Location: Little Lisbon, London

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes, and thanks for the useful advice from the people who gave it. Some of it I already knew and am considering, some of it I am looking into.

It's nice when people feel they can be helpful/explanatory rather than just sarcastic.

Oli
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fluffyhamster



Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck Oli, and keep us posted as to the outcome (likely a good one from the sound of it!). (Sorry for not posting any advice myself, but I haven't worked for ECC or indeed any chain eikaiwa, just a reasonable if ailing independent eikaiwa once. The general work conditions that you outlined are however no worse, in fact, probably work out better than what the dodgier independent eikaiwa, and certainly most dispatch AET jobs, offer).
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

originaloli wrote:
Things went well today. The recruiters were nice if rather corporate. For the sceptical among you regarding getting messed around, they are flexible. As I expected, they are a lot easier to deal with than the brochure initially suggested. So there would be consecutive days off OR weekend days off, a mixture of evening and daytime work. So that's nice.
I will choose to remain skeptical, if you don't mind, originaloli, and just advise you that if you do get the job after all, the above words came from a recruiter, not the branch manager for whom you will actually work. Please keep that in mind. It's like a military recruiting officer telling you one thing, and the boot camp sergeant telling you another.

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Also, a lot of the tricksy things relating to visa/accomodation issues are easy to jiggle around depending on circumstance.
What were those again?

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However, they've still not got any vacancies until mid-January. They're retaining my details (so I hope the recruiter's case with my passport details in it doesn't get stolen) just in case anything comes up.
So, you spoke your mind, and they said, "Thanks. We'll call you if we have anything", which doesn't mean a thing about being hired. In fact, the ECC homepage says only that they have job openings in January, and that there are still some interviews to take place in October (Australia). So, you are probably going to have to wait until very late October, early November to hear.

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At least now I know I can get through ESL interviews fairly easily. Which is good cause it looks like a CELTA and a visa aren't going to be worth all that much in Tokyo compared to a year's experience.
Yup, could have told you that if you had asked, but you didn't. That's not a snippy remark, ok? Just a statement of fact. Had you expected a CELTA to make a difference? Most eikaiwa don't even care if you have one, you know.

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I'm still rather surprised by turnaround times. Most large cities are easy to get work within a month.
ECC is one of the biggest chain eikaiwa in Japan, and if you look at the homepage you'll see that they recruit in many countries, so the line is already a long one.

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I'm considering GABA for flexibility but they seem morally dubious so wait for another post relating to that soon
Friend of mine just interviewed there. Very interesting (and depressing) report if you're interested.

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Tokyo 2016 is the bid for the 2016 summer Olympics (against Rio, Madrid and Chicago). (snip) My g/f is going to be consulting for them.
Thanks for the explanation. Good luck to her. I suspect she's going to be so busy that you wouldn't see much of her even if you had a regular daytime job, but who can say?
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cornishmuppet



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Location: Nagano, Japan

PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get an ALT job. That way you'll have weekends and evenings free, and maybe school holidays as well. If you come on the JET programme you'll get a decent salary and flexible holiday, plus you can get sick pay if you get a doctor's note.

People on here tend to bit ch about despatch company ALT jobs for their low salary or whatever, but you in Tokyo you could make a fair bit from doing private evening classes.

Good luck eh.
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AgentMulderUK



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
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Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

originaloli wrote:


it looks like a CELTA and a visa aren't going to be worth all that much in Tokyo compared to a year's experience.


You got that right. CELTAs and TESOLs and all the rest are almost irrevelant here. Most don't even know what they are, except that it probably means you did some kind of course, so you must know something.
The methods they teach you to use will go out the window within a month. The only good thing is that you will have confidence in dealing with grammar-based questions.

The whole reduce teacher talk time philosphy fails miserably as most Japanese students are quite happy to avoid talking and sit and listen to you, unless constantly cattle-prodded. And remember all those group and pair activities they told you about? Forget it.

Remember the big companies and most small eikawa have no interest whatsoever in education.
Students are customers. The longer the customer takes to learn, the more revenue that will be generated.

It's a bit like the drug companies that could find cures but don't as a cure would remove patients as a customers as they would no longer need the drugs. Therefore its better to produce drugs that reduce symptoms forever and keep them paying.

Mulder
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cornishmuppet



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And all those car companies that could make cars that don't require petrol/gasoline as fuel. They've got water-powered cars kicking about somewhere, they're just waiting until the last drop of oil gets squeezed out of the earth or the atmosphere goes to pot, whichever happens first.

Eikawa teaching can be a soul-destroying place if you get anything out of seeing your students learn. When they still can't answer 'how are you?' after three years, just look over your shoulder. Your boss will be there, rubbing his/her hands together with glee.
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Vince



Joined: 05 May 2003
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Location: U.S.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Originaloli, I'm glad things are looking up. I do agree with Glenski, though, that you shouldn't get your hopes up just yet. The warning about the switch between the Army recruiter and drill sergeant is also appropriate.

Surely things have changed since I worked for ECC, but my experience was that they were good about scheduling teachers close to home and working with them within reason. They had a good grasp on who the teachers were (no faceless cogs), and, just like at any employer, those who didn't make life hard for the school or HQ staff were treated accordingly.

I too have heard lots of ugly things about GABA. I wouldn't risk it.
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Dipso



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
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Location: England

PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for Aeon and what you were told by ECC all seems pretty much par for the course to me. I had to wait five months between interviewing in the UK and arriving in Japan.

At Aeon, we all had to arrive in Japan at a specific regional airport on a specific day, regardless of any inconvenience or extra expense incurred. It is also worth bearing in mind that your visa begins the day you enter Japan. If you arrive early, your visa will expire before your year-long contract does. This is why ECC don't want you in the country ahead of time - it means more paperwork and expense down the line.
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