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Guy Courchesne
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My thinking exactly.
If we're talking about federal government and not the citizens of this city, then there's a whole other discussion. Ottawa and Washington DC fit that kind of profile, particularly DC. Though it should be noted that the vast majority of people making the decisions in Mexico City, Ottawa, and DC aren't from those cities at all. |
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MikeySaid
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Location: Torreon, Mexico
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| Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: |
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The same happens everywhere.
In Coahuila the oft overlooked people of La Laguna complain that Saltillo has forgotten about them, even though they pay more taxes.
There are 100 million Mexicos. |
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El Gallo
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If and when the US ever enforces employment laws instead of looking the other way to support corporate exploitation of illegal Mexican laborers, Mexico will have to finally face its huge problem of poverty and unemployment. Remittances will stop and the rich families of Mexico may face rebellion as the lower classes struggle to survive even more.
Calderon has a personal interest in not dealing with the migration issue.
Meanwhile, "Compassionate Conservatives" in the US decry illegal immigration and demonize Mexicans as a political wedge issue while their party benefits from contributions from the very corporations that are the true source of the problem by enticing and even recruiting illegal Mexicans to come to the so called "American Dream" |
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MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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| El Gallo, thank you for your perceptive post. Couldn't have said it better myself, so I won't even try except to add that I've been thinking for years that if illegal immigration to the States from Mexico ever completely came to an end, the result could be a social upheaval that would make the Revolution of 1910 seem tame! |
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Prof.Gringo
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| MO39 wrote: |
| El Gallo, thank you for your perceptive post. Couldn't have said it better myself, so I won't even try except to add that I've been thinking for years that if illegal immigration to the States from Mexico ever completely came to an end, the result could be a social upheaval that would make the Revolution of 1910 seem tame! |
We have a lot of potential crisis situations just waiting to explode in Mexico. The problems with PEMEX rank at or near the top. That's because 40% of federal revenue comes from oil. PEMEX has about 9 years of proven reserves at today's current rate of production.
The other situation which scares the heck out of Mexico's government is the US is finally doing something about illegal immigration. The building of fences, more border patrol agents and the increase of ICE raids against employers has made life just that much harder for an undocumented migrant. Employers can now check SSN quicker. Drivers licenses are moving towards becoming secure documents. Add to that the downturn in the US economy and the anti-immigration climate amongst both politicians and everyday people in the US many migrants are lying low or coming home. Remittances are falling for the first time since they started keeping track of them.
Mexico's chickens are coming home to roost. We are going to celebrate 200 years of Mexican independence in 2010. That's also 200 years of corrupt and inefficient government. Mexico's major employment and economic investment in recent years seems to have been based on the ability of Mexicans to continue to migrate to the US unchecked. Now all that is changing. That's why the Mexican government through it's embassy and consulates has been so busy fighting the US and it's immigration policies. What will Mexico do now? That will have to wait to be seen. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Calderon has a personal interest in not dealing with the migration issue. |
Have to ask you to expand on that...it was left dangling there in your post.
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| That's why the Mexican government through it's embassy and consulates has been so busy fighting the US and it's immigration policies. What will Mexico do now? That will have to wait to be seen. |
That sounds a lot like Fox policy, after 9/11 shut down the growing warmth that was apparent before the event, but turned stale after. Fox started to appeal to the states directly and pushed consulates to reach out to the Mexican communities in their areas.
To me, Calderon seems to have been taking a very different stance, particularly in deciding to tackle drug cartel here and pushing the Merida Initiative and a crack down on US weapons entering Mexico Very different from previous administrations. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
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| Calderon has a personal interest in not dealing with the migration issue. |
Have to ask you to expand on that...it was left dangling there in your post.
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| That's why the Mexican government through it's embassy and consulates has been so busy fighting the US and it's immigration policies. What will Mexico do now? That will have to wait to be seen. |
That sounds a lot like Fox policy, after 9/11 shut down the growing warmth that was apparent before the event, but turned stale after. Fox started to appeal to the states directly and pushed consulates to reach out to the Mexican communities in their areas.
To me, Calderon seems to have been taking a very different stance, particularly in deciding to tackle drug cartel here and pushing the Merida Initiative and a crack down on US weapons entering Mexico Very different from previous administrations. |
Yes, Calderon has done some things differently. What has the Mexican war on drugs accomplished? It's good the feds want to regain control of areas that have been virtually ruled by drug cartels for years (think PRI). The problem is that they are using corrupt cops to fight criminals that often have more firepower than they do. The average salary for a cop in Mexico is still $4,000 pesos per month. And they wonder why there's corruption. Combine that with low levels of education, poor training and obsolete equipment and you have a recipe for law enforcement disaster.
A lot of this is also cultural. Latin American culture doesn't encourage people to stand up and be heard. It's the opposite. And if the cops and even elements of the military are corrupt, then if you do the right thing and turn someone in you are putting your life at stake.
The Merida Initiative is a drop in the bucket. $400 million dollars. Compare that to what the US gives to Colombia each year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Colombia
What crackdown on US weapons entering Mexico?
Will Mexico have the death penalty here soon? Execute murderers, kidnappers and corrupt officials...
What about arming the populace? If things were this out of control in the US people would be taking the law into their own hands... remember Diaz and the Rurales? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurales
And most troubling of all, does the attack in Morelia on Sept. 15 signify the opening of a new and terrifying stage in the drug war? Are we going to enter into a period of narco-terrorism? What will the government response be?
BTW expect the PRI to return to Los Pinos in 2012. |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| BTW expect the PRI to return to Los Pinos in 2012. |
Just what we need, Enrique Pe�a Nieto, a President smaller than Calder�n!
Sorry, it's Friday!  |
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