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Orrin · Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 206 Location: Zhuhai, China

@Lorean,

Believe me, I am not �flaming� you, but merely questioning the logic of one of your statements. You wrote, in reference to those laowai over 60 that, �they are a very real medical liability.� A very real medical liability to who? This is a completely illogical statement!

First of all, it is highly unlikely that 60+ laowai are going to be spreading any communicable diseases such as STD; but more importantly, no foreigner in China poses any financial liability to any municipal, provincial, or federal agency if they fall ill. No foreigner, regardless of their visa status, is covered under any of the social insurance plans which may cover Chinese citizens. If 60+ laowai pose a health (financial) risk to anyone, it is to the private insurance companies (most of them foreign) which may have sold a health insurance policy to a particular laowai. Therefore, your argument simply does not hold any water.

arioch36 · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589

Orrin

Dear Colleagues,

Lorean · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 476 Location: Beijing

therock · Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1266 Location: China

arioch36 · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589

the Rock

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

"a cheaper filipino" Laughing

to follow up on the heading of this thread, china will probably never be NORMAL. and, as the language or shall i say "dialect" changes every 100 miles in this country so do the rules/regulations Wink

cheers and beers to normal china Smile

theincredibleegg · Joined: 01 Jul 2008 Posts: 224

jamesmollo · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 276 Location: jilin china

I can't understand all these people confused about the visa process, It's really quite simple.
And it seems that you have things backwards. You don't apply for a foreign expert's certificate, your employer does. This can only be done, after you have a residence permit for foreigners. To get one of these stamps in your passport you need a z-visa that is obtained out of the country with an invitation letter and 2 other official documents - one of these contains the S.A.F.E.A permission to hire a foriegner. That means they are inviting you to come to China to fufill a position that you are suitably qualified and experienced to do - in many cases that just means you hold a passport from an english speaking country.
So it could well be that your employer doesn't have that right and many don't - it costs over 150,000yuan in bribes to have that right. So maybe you should move on. Remember your employer could just make a lot of money out of you and never get your visa. Find out if they have the abilty or not. They should have the certificate and a 6? digit registration number

foreignDevil · Joined: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 580

cj750nomad · Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 252 Location: Beijing and

Voldermort · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 597

arioch36 · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589

Yes, FEC, now a BLUE BOOK, and then RP. If you get a red FEC, check twice

Tasmanian Devil · Joined: 15 Oct 2008 Posts: 39

Can I get a 'Z' visa in Hong Kong?

arioch36 · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589

the question everyone is asking. best check out some of the visa agents there, like everbright, my two cents

GMatt · Joined: 07 Nov 2008 Posts: 4

So are there no reports of successful Z-visa applications in Hong Kong at this time? I've been scouring the board but can't seem to find any solid info, it's quite maddening.

I'm getting tons of mixed messages from schools/recruiters. One school in Fuzhou implied that it's all guanxi and they are well respected blah blah and won't have trouble getting me a visa (also said that all this was just Olympics-related hooplah and over and done with now).

Yet recruiters like Aston and Reach to Teach both told me that as far as they know--and wouldn't they know, being big-time legit recruiters?--Z-visas are only being issued in the applicant's home country, meaning those of us hoping to go to Hong Kong for the Z are SOL.

I emailed the ministry of foreign affairs in Hong Kong with a very straightforward query as to whether or not it was possible even with all the appropriate documentation and received this cryptic reply (everything sic):

"For non-hongkong resident, you will meet the risk of failing of applying Z visa in hongkong, and then you have to go back to your country to apply again, and you have to reprepare all the documents again also.so generally we suggest such applicants to go back to their own country to apply Z visa."

From that part about "meet the risk of failing" it seems they're implying it's something of a crapshoot? Like, I might get it, but I might not? As to what criteria that would depend on, they say nothing. Awesome.

Might the Z-visa in HK or not issue be worthy of a new thread? It seems to me that this is a pretty major issue for the many, many teachers hoping to enter on an L and scout around before running to HK for the Z. Thoughts?

(sorry if this came off as agitated but I'm kind of going mad over the red tape--as you can no doubt tell, I haven't been to China before)