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basiltherat
Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 952
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Higher Unemployment in West = More TEFL 'Teachers' ? |
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With the alleged increase in unemployment (lay offs) in the UK and US due to the economic and financial mess, I would guess that we are going to see an inevitable increase in the number of people who want to get into this gig. After all, its totally unregulated, certification can be procured in a very short time (ye old 4-week tefl cert) ... even faked ! Who's gonna know a fake, anyway. I doubt an Indonesan EF franchisee or DOS would know, for example.
Admittedly, its poorly-paid but for those who are single and / or have no financial burdens to consider, its at least a temporary solution before procuring something similar to whay they were doing before. Whats more, they would be getting some travel experience too.
All this being the case we might see a lot of office clerk types heading out to China Korea etc ..... resuting in a potential lowering of standards / quality (if there were any in the first place !).
Either that, or its a walk down to the dole office on a regular basis.
Any views on this anyone ?
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jonniboy
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 751 Location: Panama City, Panama
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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I doubt it. One aspect of the economic crisis has been a weak pound and that's going to be offputting for the casual backpacker.
As for low pay though, a teacher in Latvia say will get much more than an office clerk in the UK... |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Any views on this anyone ? |
I agree to some degree. We saw this in the 2001/2 recession. I think of lot of US college grads looked around, saw a poor labour market, and decided to head out for a year to get some teaching and work experience abroad. I'm expecting the same thing this time around. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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jonniboy wrote: |
I doubt it. One aspect of the economic crisis has been a weak pound and that's going to be offputting for the casual backpacker.
As for low pay though, a teacher in Latvia say will get much more than an office clerk in the UK... |
BUt what about costs of living? Does that off set the pay? |
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rusmeister
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 867 Location: Russia
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 2:30 am Post subject: |
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I agree. Especially younger ones, who don't understand/care about weak pounds/dollars, etc. They'll go for one year, get screwed, and leave, and the language schools will get some more fresh meat.
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SueH
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Posts: 1022 Location: Northern Italy
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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jonniboy wrote: |
As for low pay though, a teacher in Latvia say will get much more than an office clerk in the UK... |
Not sure, I've no evidence, but if Italian salaries (for office clerks or teachers) are anything to go by I doubt it very much. Any difference in living standards here is probably due to the office clerk living at home or in a flat inherited or lived in rent free.
It may be changing now with recession, but the evidence in the UK was that many Eastern Europeans arriving for fairly basic work were very well educated and included trained teachers. |
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jonniboy
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 751 Location: Panama City, Panama
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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SueH wrote: |
jonniboy wrote: |
As for low pay though, a teacher in Latvia say will get much more than an office clerk in the UK... |
Not sure, I've no evidence, but if Italian salaries (for office clerks or teachers) are anything to go by I doubt it very much. Any difference in living standards here is probably due to the office clerk living at home or in a flat inherited or lived in rent free. |
You're right. So I will need to rephrase that to "native English teachers will generally get more here than office clerks in the UK" since those are the people we're talking about in this thread.
With that in mind, you're forgetting one thing - Latvia isn't Italy. In the Latvian market native teachers don't have the competition from other natives that they would have in Italy, nor the hassle of kiddie classes.
Riga has certainly become more expensive in recent years, but prices aren't anywhere near London levels. However in London, office clerks only get �7-�10 per hour with �8 seeming to be a median figure. http://www.reed.co.uk/job/searchresults.aspx?s=868&l=South%20West%20London,%20London&lp=10&JobUnavailable=1
Out in the provinces it's worse with �6 - �7 an hour common.
http://www.secrecruit.co.uk/cgi-bin/vacdetails.pl?selection=930215264
http://www.careers-jobs.eu/jobrole/office-clerk-jobs-2566.html
In Belfast �7.50 p.h. is the current going rate based on the people I know working there. Someone getting that and doing a 37.5 hour week would take in about �230 after tax.
In Riga the going rate for a teacher starts at 8 lats an hour - �8.85 *after tax and NI* so any teacher here doing 26 hours or more a week will get more than an average U.K. office clerk and will often have a flat thrown in by the school. Now maybe that's not the full story or I've just struck it lucky (or been here long enough to take advantage of better offers) but I'm definitely better off here than I would be doing some mind numbing job in an office in blandshire. |
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guty

Joined: 10 Apr 2003 Posts: 365 Location: on holiday
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Can you clarify that please?
Could an EFL teacher in Latvia really expect to make
26 x �8.85 weekly (*after tax and NI*) = �231 (+ a free flat, i.e. no outgoings)
= �1039 (around $1800) with no outgoings monthly!
With tax at 20%, that would equate to a disposable income of around �1400/ $2000. Let's remember that rents average at �650 per month, in the west ...
That is better than most EFL places in the Gulf, let alone an office clerk anywhere.
I am in the wrong line of business, my Icelandic Bank doesn't pay anywhere near that much! |
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jonniboy
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 751 Location: Panama City, Panama
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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As far as I know yes it's doable though I work for several language centres so you'd need to check with the individual ones to see what's on offer. Most teachers here that I know are clearing 1000 lvl per month (�1100). I get 10 to 15 per hour in hand from privates and 8 to 10 lats per hour net from the language centres I work for although I don't have a free flat supplied. However as my girlfriend owns her flat outright we've no outgoings on that score. When I was in Belfast for a month in Summer I had a look around for temp jobs but was being offered �8.50 an hour before tax for accounts admin roles which I found a bit insulting given that I've 7 years experience in that field. As a minimum a native teacher coming here would get 8 lats per hour though that could be without flat which will cost them 200-250 per month in the centre of Riga http://www.ss.lv/lv/real_estate/flats/riga/centre/_hand_over/index.html
The fact is that with the climate etc, most teachers that I know come to Riga for a year and then head off for sunnier climes but for those prepared to stick it out, yes there's money to be made - purely for the record my disposable income for this month will be higher than the figure you quoted, though that's taking into consideration circumstances above, 32/3 hour working week and the fact that I'll need to save some of that towards the summer slump (August I was only able to work 17 hours on average for example.) |
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SueH
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Posts: 1022 Location: Northern Italy
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Ta - it always helps and is interesting to have detail like that. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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A few years ago, we started to see an influx of teacher wannabes from the IT field. I see no reason that this would change. If other fields have problems in securing employment, people may very well look for an adventure or peek into another career, namely TEFL. |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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You mean the ex-financial types will soon be 'slumming' with us? Imagine, one wife of a high rolling financial type after his layoff was complaining about his severance pay of 70K (US dollars) as this would only pay the credit card bills for a month !! Thankfully my own bills are not quite that high . |
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spiral78

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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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I think there's a big market for English for banking/finance  |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
A few years ago, we started to see an influx of teacher wannabes from the IT field. I see no reason that this would change. If other fields have problems in securing employment, people may very well look for an adventure or peek into another career, namely TEFL. |
Honestly, though, it isn't just EFL that people go to. When I worked in advertising, tonnes of people with no training in copywriting, advertising or even marketing would show up looking for jobs, never having even heard of a portfolio and needing an explanation of what it was (this was for copywriter jobs). I actually heard a creative director say to one guy that not everybody has a background in marketing or advertising before their first job as a copywriter, but often their degree will be loosely related like in journalism or English (actually, I think Phychology was a very common major), and the applicant said that people major in English when they can't do anything else like get into science, math, business or computer science. (He wasn't hired, obviously)
People seem to assume that they can speak English and therefore they should be able to get a job teaching it. They can write a sentence and therefore they should be able to get a job writing for advertising agencies etc. |
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Marcoregano

Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 872 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: |
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GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
People seem to assume that they can speak English and therefore they should be able to get a job teaching it. |
Very true, and unfortunately in many countries they WILL get a job teaching English so long as they can act the part.
I agree with the OP - with lay-offs taking place and jobs harder to come by in the west there will be an inevitable increase in the number heading overseas in search of something better, and some of them will end up in TEFL. I'd be prepared to wager that plenty of well-educated and well-heeled ex-finance executives and bankers will take the crisis as their cue to embark on that long postponed dream of taking a year or two out of the rat race, preferably somewhere exotic - and don't be surprised if some of them decide to have a go at TEFL when their beer vouchers run out. |
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