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crewmeal



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Pound having a bad time Reply with quote

Over the past couple of weeks I've seen my salary rise by around 30% because the pound is in free fall against other world currencies. Great if you want to convert your salary to pounds but bad if your friends and family want to visit you!!

Anyone else with similar experiences?
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where salaries in particular currencies are concerned, I've always focused on the fact that as long as one is getting paid in the currency in which one is going to spend the money, then currency values are of little consequence.

If you're earning dollars, for example, and converting into and spending in pounds (which you imply in your post), then, yes, fortune is on your side (alto who knows for how long; might be better to be paid in Yen !). Congrats !

I'm actually curious to know how many of us need to go through this conversion lark before they can actually get round to spending their dosh.

I'm earning in pounds and spending in pounds so I'm not really affected (i'm more concerned about the rising expense of living in UK !) but there must be a few others who are either celebrating or drowning their misery in numerous bottles of flatcap.

Mind you, its all swings and roundabouts b/c ,since I've been on this planet, the $ / sterling rate has fluctuated between 2.40 and virtually par !

Long Live Sterling ! Smile
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keepwalking



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I earn in dollars but spend in soles (Peru). I've been here 3 years now and the exchange rate hovered around S/3 to the $ and then reached a high of 3.25. In a 3 month period at the start of this year it plummeted to 2.7, a sizeable drop in salary when at the same time basic food prices rose by 50%.

Things are now a little more stable but it something to bear in mind when negotiating contracts. If you get paid in dollars/pounds and will have to convert, what will happen if the exchange rate suddenly drops? Many of us here were literally in the situation of not being able to pay the rent or utilities bills because we were faced with an exchange rate drop and a price rise at the same time.

I am totally confused as to why the dollar is now stronger against the sol when Wall Street is going through such a rough time. How is this 'economic crisis' affecting other people around the world?
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am totally confused as to why the dollar is now stronger


This is my take on it:
Alot of American people are 'cashing' in now, both those residing in the States (stocks to cash) and those US overseas investors who are pulling out and bringing their investments/money/profits back home to US. That's possibly one of the reasons why asian, middle east and south american stock markets are going down the toilet.

Once citizens of other nations see the value of dollar rise and value of their own national currency declining as a result, they get on the bandwagon and start demanding bucks as well.

As the expression goes 'Cash is King'. Majority of people still believe dollar is the best of any still. It's against it how nearly all others are valued, they claim.

At the moment, (wonder for how long, though) if a country doesn't have dollars to trade with, the country's up sh1ts creek.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree. Am happy to be paid in Euro, and to have our savings in it. Far more stable for the future, I'm sure.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basil's partially correct. The dollar is stronger because investors are cashing in their investments in other currencies in order to meet their debts.

This is hardly likely to be a permanent situation though.
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hollysuel



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
I disagree. Am happy to be paid in Euro, and to have our savings in it. Far more stable for the future, I'm sure.


I agree! I live in Europe and spend in euros...
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At the moment, (wonder for how long, though) if a country doesn't have dollars to trade with, the country's up sh1ts creek.
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Look at Iceland...they are now going hat in hand to the IMF. First Western country to do so in over 30 years.
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basiltherat



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is hardly likely to be a permanent situation though


I agree. By the end of next week the Arabs and Russians will also have got rid of/cashed in their US stocks. Then things'll clam down hopefully.

I don't think the pound will go far below 1.50; if that. Still not bad if yur earning bucks and spending in sterling.

My tuppence worth
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asian sensation



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oil price per barrel goes down, the American dollar goes up. It's not set in stone but when oil was at its highest the dollar was at its weakest with most of the traded currencies.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basil: There is no proof that either Middle eastern or Russian investors are current net sellers of US stocks. Therefore your post does not make sense. Rather than things calming down in a week things could become much more volatile. The unwinding of the derivatives trades hasn't even started yet and its effects will almost certainly be far more serious than those of the sub-prime defaults and the current credit crunch. Prepare for a long, hard recession.

Asian sensation: Nice idea and a grain of truth. Oil futures are mirror-linked to economic outlook: If the outlook is good economic activity is expected to increase, people will bet on more oil being needed and so oil futures, and current oil prices, rise. If the outlook is bad the reverse happens.

In times of crisis people get scared and would rather hold something big and (they hope) relatively stable in value, like $US, than a more risky, but potentially more profitable investment (Icelandic Kroner or Icelandic bank shares a while back). So in times of prosperity oil prices rise and the safe haven effect on $US values is not so pronounced whereas when the shit hits the fan oil prices fall and people try to hedge their bets by holding dollars.

However.

This relationship only holds true as long as confidence that the $US will be a relatively stable currency is maintained. If that confidence gets damaged, for example by a big shock to the price of $US, the value of the dollar, which is vastly overvalued when measured by the health of the underlying US economy. plummets. Which is why the US should be praying that China, which holds trillions of $US in currency and US stock, is going to play nicey nicey.

Basically the US is about to be in the same position as a (very) major bank. As long as all (or nearly all) its creditors believe that it will not (cannot) go belly up then all is sweetness and light, and everybody's credit is safe. But if enough people have second thoughts, or simply need their money for other purposes, and try to withdraw their cash then it creates a run on the bank and the bank cannot pay back all of its savers, or in the case of the US, the value of the dollar plummets and everybody gets just a few cents on the dollar.

Of course the US govt can always pay its debts by simply printing a few billion more dollars. This is exactly what the government of Zimbabwe is doing as we post.


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arioch36



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guy

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Look at Iceland...they are now going hat in hand to the IMF. First Western country to do so in over 30 years
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I have some good Icelandic friends .... but you reap what you sow. Much of their wealth came through money speculation.

Personally I am happy when the RMB gains on the dollar, because it makes going home easier, more affordable, and unlike Brits working in CHina, I must still pay back my student loans. But having a house back in the states, it's value in terms of the CHinese yuan has gone down as the yuan/RMB has climbed against the dollar.
When I first came to China my house was worth 820,000 RMB. Now it is only worth 680,000 RMB

Sheep
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Which is why the US should be praying that China, which holds trillions of $US in currency and US stock, is going to play nicey nicey


Which is also strongly in China's best interests
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arioch36 wrote:
Which is also strongly in China's best interests
Absolutely. If by China we both mean the people of China, and if by China's interests we both mean the absolute economic position of the Chinese people.

Let's just both hope that the Chinese leadership continues to put the economic development of China first rather than go for the gesture polititics of trying to steal a march on the US via a quick bout of beggar my neighbour.

The US needs the Chinese govt to continue letting their geo-political ambitions simmer on the back boiler while they concentrate on tending the economic pot that is warming up/pulling out of poverty tens of millions of ordinary Chinese people each year; rather than falling prey to the temptation to attempt a quick kill, accepting the economic consequences for the Chinese people, and take a big bite out of US dominance now in their desire to close the gap on the US.

I.e. The US should pray that the Chinese play nicey nicey; which as you point out, is also in their own best interest. Currently.

So: Slowlee slowlee catchee monkey Very Happy [/img]

The other danger of course is simply that the Chinese govt start trying to offload dollars just a little too fast, fearing how much more they could lose if someone else pulls the plug first, preferring to risk taking a hit now rather than an even bigger hit later.

Whatever the cause, the consequences of a run on the dollar at the moment are almost beyond imagination, but they wouldn't be pretty.
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, with trillions of US dollars stashed under the bed China has huge political/economic leverage over the US. Let's hope they don't use it as an opportunity to pull a fast one on Taiwan while the US has its hands tied. A scary thought.
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