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[william wallace]

I've been in negotiations with a top 3 university in Shanghai to oversEE the whole operation(highest position ever for a foreigner), and I would be managing three departments, with Chinese and foreigners under me.

I haven't held such a position before and therefore have no idea for submitting my salary expectation. The foreign teachers get 12,000 RMB a month...Any idea ? 15,000 ? 20,000 ? More ?
Cheers,
WW

P.S. I do know that I would be responsible for everything and anything! Yikes!

[therock]

This could be your dream job William.

[wailing_imam]

As it's Shanghai, you should be looking at 20 to 22 thou with no probs.

Even EF and Wall St teachers here get 16,000.

[Mister Al]

Yep, at least 20K with a few nice perks. Hope You get it, Wullie.

[brsmith15]

Don't leave money on the table by shooting too low. It sounds like a VERY responsible position. If it were me, I'd start aroud 30K. If you choose this route, be sure to back up why.

Remember what Robert Townsend said in "Up the Organization:" "First rate people hire first rate people. Second rate people hire third rate people." Make yourself one of the first-rate.

[JohnC]

[brsmith15]

There is a national Chinese rating of all 632 universities beginning with Tsingua (1st), and Peking (2nd), so your joint must be number 3. The list ends with the Police University at the very bottom (any surprise here?) Unfortunately I no longer have the (English) website where I found this, but using Google I think you might find it. The place I worked, SH Uni of Finance and Economics was rated 41st which still put it the top 10%. The service uses the normal criteria any country does: student-teacher ratio, number of PhD's, library size, and about 8 other categories.

Yeah, isn't Delter a hoot? Lies componded by greed overlaid by stupidity. Bing is still skimming millions out of these places with the help of his hired goons: B*b can't see the world unless it's through the glass of a bottle, Sh***y would sell her grandmother for a few jiao and J***ston is Bing's enforcer, lackey and gofer. Nice place, huh?

[brsmith15]

William,

I did a little more research. The website that ranked the unis was

http://rank2005.netbig.com/en/uk/_1_0_0.htm

I was wrong; it's a UK source, not a Chinese one.

Here are the other top 8:

3. Nanjing U., Nanjing
4. Fudan U., SH
5. Jiaotong U., SH
6. Uni of Science and Technology, Heifei
7. Zhejiang U., Zhejiang
8. Nankai U., Tianjin
9. People's U., BJ
10. BJ Normal U., BJ

Now, this was in 2005. Maybe they've updated it since and if you're looking at Fudan and they've moved into the 3rd slot, they're telling you the truth. Otherwise.........................

[JohnC]

Take the job! Roll the dice!

Blog here about what happens!

[mike w]

2008 rankings from the China Academy of Management Science:

Top 30 China Universities in 2008

1. Tsinghua University (清华大学): Beijing
2. Beijing University (北京大学): Beijing
3. Zhejiang University (浙江大学): Hanzhou, Zhejiang
4. Shanghai Jiaotong University (上海交通大学): Shanghai
5. Nanjing Univerity (南京大学): Nanjing, Jiangsu
6. Fudan University (复旦大学): Shanghai
7. University of Science and Technology of China (中国科学技术大学): Hefei, Anhui
8. Huazhong University of Science and Technology (华中科技大学):Wuhan, Hubei
9. Wuhan University (武汉大学):Wuhan, Hubei
10. Xi�an Jiaotong University (西安交通大学): Xi�an, Shanxi
11. Jilin University (吉林大学): Changchun, Jilin
12. Zhongshan University (中山大学)：Guangzhou, Guangdong
13. Sichuan University (四川大学): Chengdu, Sichuan
14. Harbin Institute of Technology (哈尔滨工业大学): Harbin, Heilongjiang
15. Shandong University (山东大学):Jinan, Shandong
16. Nankai University (南开大学): Tianjin
17. Tianjin University (天津大学): Tianjin
18. Beijing Normal University (北京师范大学): Beijing
19. Central South University (中南大学): Changsha, Hunan
20. Southeast Unversity (东南大学) : Nanjing, Jiangsu
21. Xiamen University (厦门大学): Xiamen, Fujian
22. Renmin University (中国人民大学): Beijing
23. Beijing University of Aeronautics & Astronautics (北京航空航天大学): Beijing
24. Dalian University of Technology (大连理工大学): Dalian, Liaoning
25. Northwest Polytechnical University (西北工业大学): Xi�an, Shanxi
26. Tongji University (同济大学): Shanghai
27. South China University of Technology (华南理工大学): Guangzhou, Guangdong
28. Chongqing University (重庆大学): Chongqing
29. East China Normal University (华东师范大学): Shanghai
30. Lanzhou University (兰州大学): Lanzhou, Gansu


The top 100 list is here:

http://www.china-university-ranking.com/

[JohnC]

I wonder how they came up with that list.

Tsinghua, sure.

But the rest..hmmmm.

[Mister Al]

So Wullie, did you take the job? Did you get what you wanted? Enlighten us!

[arioch36]

I too have my doubts about the lists. All political. In America they put out the top ten party unis each year