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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Glenski, his advice could apply to applying for any job ( but he does happen to be a 'middle man' for uni applications).

Now Fluffy, if you expanded your comments to include other job types, rather than venting about JETs, we might have more sympathy for you.

And yes, I like your avatar too, kind of fun (and scary at the same time).

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Does Monkasho impose a prescribed course of study for English at university level?


Not exactly, though they do have lot to say about the way classes are taught in general and the number of classes various majors are supposed to take before they can graduate.
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JohnC



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Re: Before you hit SEND on that job application inquiry... Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
...you might want to consider a few things.

1) Proofread the darned email, including the subject line.

"application" is not spelled "appklication"

2) Say where you saw the ad and what position you are applying for. The institution may have more than one.

3) Read the advertisement carefully.

I don't care if you are a trilingual person who wants to teach math and chemistry. My school wants an English teacher.

4) Look at a map.

You say you want to commute from Tokyo, but to do that you'll have to hop on a plane for 1.5 to 2 hours one way.

5) Customize your cover letters. We can tell when you don't. The main tipoff is that you don't write the name of the person to whom you are addressing the mail. It was in the ad.

6) For goodness' sake, if you intend to shotgun an email to 28 sources at once, learn how to use the BCC function! It's embarrassing to see that you've sent a letter to a university, Interac, and eikaiwas (and to other places with just people's names in the email addresses), yet you only write in that form letter that you are interested in the "job at the school".

7) Make a sensible resume format. Be sure it's not filled to within 1/8 inch of the margins top, bottom and left/right, and that you use consistent font for fields of equal weight, and that you don't send a copy that gets cut off at the bottom so that only the upper half of the type shows.

Cool Don't copy/paste from other letters of inquiry. If you say something like you're interested in moving to China but the job is in Japan, it's a hint to the reader.

9) Don't include irrelevant information.

Reviewers really don't care how many pets you have, whether you won an archery/swimming/martial arts contest 3 years in a row, or what your spouse does for hobbies.

As you might suspect, I've just seen all of the above. Sigh.

These rules also apply for your local McDonalds or Wallmart.

I doubt many people with accredited Bachelors or Masters degrees make these type of mistakes in their resumes. If they do, don't contact them.

However, it's always good to "publish" the rules, right? Get your name out there as a defender of simple common sense. Japanese management will love it.

By the way, Glen, I also won't hire anyone who makes their number 8 a cool smiley face. You failed to proof-read your post. Lucky you aren't applying for a school I run!

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10. Make sure your number 8's don't become Cool
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Before you hit SEND on that job application inquiry... Reply with quote

JohnC wrote:
These rules also apply for your local McDonalds or Wallmart.
Yes, but this forum is not for them.

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I doubt many people with accredited Bachelors or Masters degrees make these type of mistakes in their resumes. If they do, don't contact them.
Despite your doubts, I'm getting just that. Mostly master's degrees.

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However, it's always good to "publish" the rules, right? Get your name out there as a defender of simple common sense. Japanese management will love it.
Are you trying to be just as sarcastic as fluffy hamster?

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By the way, Glen, I also won't hire anyone who makes their number 8 a cool smiley face. You failed to proof-read your post. Lucky you aren't applying for a school I run!
Sorry I disappointed you, but that's what happened with the way it gets typed here. Not my fault or intention. I did proofread it and felt it was unnecessary because most mature people would understand.

Give it a rest and try to be more constructive next time.
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JohnC



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Before you hit SEND on that job application inquiry... Reply with quote

I don't know anything about your fluffy hamster. However, a mistake in a post complaining about mistakes is funny. Practice those 8 ) 's.

Now back to the thread.


Glenski wrote:
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9) Don't include irrelevant information.

Reviewers really don't care how many pets you have, whether you won an archery/swimming/martial arts contest 3 years in a row, or what your spouse does for hobbies.
Sigh.

Why not?

Those with experience in Japan know that most Japanese administrators like a short and simple resume.

However, why should we accept that? If you are hiring someone as a teacher in a foreign country, I think it's better to learn something about them.

With all the CV templates that now exist and grammar and spell-checkers, one way to 'get to know' an applicant is by learning something about them that can't be copied from resume.com. This is one of the few areas where applicants can't just fill in the needed information.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gaijinalways (I feel compelled to respond, seeing like I say how you guys didn't just ignore my initial post), my point was simply that people in Japan especially (and this includes quite a few foreigners) simply do what their employers say, and tell them what they want to hear (this relates somewhat to the new sub-topic mooted by JohnC of bland job applications). Although I chose to mention JET, this principle of 'never "rocking the boat" when one is being paid to just sit on one's hands' is not confined to only there. Is it any wonder that "some" people (many of whom have probably worked in Japan before) then assume that anyone can apply (and badly) in the not entirely delusional hope that they could "do" many a so-called job just as "well" as a hamstrung professional (again, I am thinking of JET here, or dispatch AET work, but the principle is really no different in universities, given that more and more are choosing to outsource to employees who likely do not have the requisite skills, qualifications or experience). I guess that quite a few applications, and the jobs they are for, will often be or remain just so much window dressing, even when the hiring is done directly!

I wouldn't have any specifically "on-topic" tips beyond CV formatting (mine has often drawn praise from interviewers, most of whom then proceeded to employ me) - not that I intend to divulge my "winning" design (it's actually just basic common-sense principles of design and writing) - and writing customized covering letters afresh for each and every application (if that seems like hard work, chances are the job isn't suited to you, or you aren't suitable for the job; there needs to be some enthusiasm during the application process!). I also avoid worn phrases like 'Regarding your advertisement...please find enclosed my CV' blah blah blah.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John,
Are you responding just to argue here? That's how I see it. Get off it.

fluffy,
We didn't "just ignore" your OP because it invoked a response. Why else would you have written it? C'mon! You are a big boy and can see how off-topic it was.

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I guess that quite a few applications, and the jobs they are for, will often be or remain just so much window dressing, even when the hiring is done directly!
Applications may be there sometimes for window dressing, yes, but not the jobs. Geez.
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Miyazaki



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we all should pile on Glenski because he's so full of himself and condesending all the time.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Glenski,

I did comment on JohnC's unnecessary point(s), but it was deleted from the thread. Too much common sense, I guess?


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and writing customized covering letters afresh for each and every application (if that seems like hard work, chances are the job isn't suited to you, or you aren't suitable for the job; there needs to be some enthusiasm during the application process!).


Totally agree, and the most on point advice you gave in this thread..
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