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Full-time vs. Multiple Part-Time
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooks wrote:
for people who don't work full-time:
how do you do it?
how much do you save?
are you able to go back to your home country every year?
I did part-time work to support my wife and child for just a year. It was not easy and not fun.

One job constituted half my pay and took more than half my time. It was a private HS. The other half of my pay came from private lessons. Those involved traveling to locations like cafes 6 days a week (Mon - Fri they were after the HS job and until 9pm).

How much we saved is almost irrelevant because my situation is/was different than yours or anyone else's. We were expecting our child at the time, so we had to make hospital payments, had just paid off a car, and had moved into a new apartment. We had not planned on traveling abroad. We saved money, let's leave it at that.

What was hard was the hours. Pregnancy was hard for my wife, so I had to work at the HS, grocery shop and make dinner, go to night jobs, come home, clean, etc.
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stevenbhow



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:10 am    Post subject: comments Reply with quote

I started doing all p/t work last April after changing to a spousal visa. I've been doing a mixture of eikaiwa, corporate, and private lessons. So far, salary-wise I've been able to match or beat what I made f/t as an ALT and I usually work less then half the hours. I've even had a few 400,000 yen months at around 23 teaching hours.

I'm married, but don't have any kids. Also, my wife works and is covered by her company's health insurance plan. I use a private insurance company. We live in a condo, but we paid it off, so we don't have to worry about rent. Thanks to this and living simply our monthly expenses are pretty low.

I don't like is the travel involved for the corporate classes very much. I spend anywhere between 1-4 hours a day on the train. The hourly wages are pretty good until you factor this in. Also, I live in Nagoya, so the conditions are probably a bit different than Toyko. Most of the corporate work is outside of the city during commute times, so you are almost always on crowded trains. If you can sit down it's not too bad, but often you end up standing up for the entire trip.

One other thing that has been a slight problem is trying to explain my working situation to my father-in-law. Even though I make the same or more than I made before and the working conditions are much better he still considers me a freeta. My wife takes my side most of the time now, so it's not that big of an issue anymore.

I do like the freedom though. It is nice dealing with companies on my terms rather than having them tell me what to do. If the job conditions look dodgy I simply turn the work down. I still have to hussle a little to find work, but that has slowly been decreasing now that I've got a few companies that like and trust me as a teacher. I'm not sure if I'll do this until I retire or not, but so far it has been pretty good.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said earlier, pension and insurance issues aside, I make more at the moment. Another key difference is that full timers sometimes start off lower, but will over time make more money if you're in a tenured post (assuming you work directly for a high school or uni). Currently, I still make more than my sempai at one university who started teaching at the university at about the same time as me (even factoring in his promotion). People I talk to that have been in Japan teaching part-time at unis 15-20 years make more than I do as an age basis and the number of years with a uni is factored into the pay scale.

So yes, you can make quite bit of money as a part-timer, but it can be more unstable. But certainly the longer you're here, the more likely (with the right connections and doing a good job) your income will keep increasing. I've seen my income almost triple in the last 3 years (and my health premiums, well I don't want to talk about them Crying or Very sad ).

My wife and I enjoy traveling and we save money, and I don't feel like we have to scrimp too much, though of course we're still considering saving for retirement. My wife has worked irregularly the last few years, so her income is an added benefit, but we're no dinks!
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Miyazaki



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Working a series of part-time jobs can bring a lot of peace of mind, especially in a city like Tokyo where there are a lot of jobs. You're a "consultant" instead of a "salaryman" / "OL". You don't need to go to meetings, put up with B.S. from staff or other teachers. You slip in, do your class and then take off. Per-hour, you always earn a higher wage in the part-time jobs. Corporates can be lucrative also.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You slip in, do your class and then take off. Per-hour, you always earn a higher wage in the part-time jobs. Corporates can be lucrative also.


You don't always earn a higher wage than a full timer, depends on the contract that both of you have. Also, you're forgetting the prep/assignment correction time we put in, which sometimes greatly overshadows the meeting times of the full timers.

As to corporate lessons, they can be lucrative if you're not traveling all over with big gaps in your schedule.
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Miyazaki



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
You don't always earn a higher wage than a full timer, depends on the contract that both of you have.


Example?
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Miyazaki



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
...the prep/assignment correction time we put in, which sometimes greatly overshadows the meeting times of the full timers.


Why would it?

Full-time instructors have to grade assignments also.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
gaijinalways wrote:
You don't always earn a higher wage than a full timer, depends on the contract that both of you have.


Quote:
Example?



Talk to people you work with. Obviously ones who came in on older contracts sometimes have much better pay (not always). Of course, getting people to admit how much they make is not always easy, but beer does help... Cool


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gaijinalways wrote:
...the prep/assignment correction time we put in, which sometimes greatly overshadows the meeting times of the full timers.


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Why would it?

Full-time instructors have to grade assignments also.


Think about the average amount of classes a full timer has compared to a part-timer. I'm currently teaching 19 classes. My bosses teach from 5-8.
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