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Learning Spanish- Go to a language school or just teach?
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atimeforeverything



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: Learning Spanish- Go to a language school or just teach? Reply with quote

I am heading to Latin America (haven't decided exactly where yet) in January. My ultimate goal is becoming fluent in Spanish. Im debating if I should go to a Spanish school for a month or so first or if I should just go ahead and find a job and learn as I go.

I have experience teaching ESL, a degree and a TESOL Cert so finding a job shouldn't be a problem.

I'm just wondering what would be the best route for learning Spanish.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to be fluent in a language, you have to immerse yourself in it. teaching English isn't the best way as the people you work with will want to practise their English.

Fluency is hard, if not impossible, to achieve at an older age. I've been speaking Spanish for 14 years, but don't consider myself, and never will, fluent.

If you want to learn Spanish, go to a school where there aren't many people who speak English, then try to immerse yourself by getting a job in that country where you speak spanish, dating or marrying locals help as well. Smile .
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mise_me_fein



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want free lessons download Michel Thomas Spanish, all his stuff and also learning Spanish like crazy.....just get torrent files.....

in the meantime, practice with natives and after a year you should have a good level if you speak Spanish for 4 or 5 hours a day.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mise_me_fein wrote:
If you want free lessons download Michel Thomas Spanish, all his stuff and also learning Spanish like crazy.....just get torrent files.....

in the meantime, practice with natives and after a year you should have a good level if you speak Spanish for 4 or 5 hours a day.


Do you have the link for that?
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john_n_carolina



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...there are hundreds of Spanish schools in the tourist sector of Quito (Mariscal). Do a month intensive course, and you'll be fine. you'll also be close to the bars. (if that matters). if i remember, Simon Bolivar is a good Spanish school.
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ghostdog



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For audio files, search one of the large torrent engines. My preference is www.isohunt.com. Personally, I found Michel Thomas kind of limiting, though it is good for confidence building at the beginning. If someone has a better suggestion for an audio learning system, please mention it.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm just wondering what would be the best route for learning Spanish.


Go to the country side where there are no other foreigners. Of course be careful. In some towns in South America they don't speak Spanish. Some places people speak an indigenous language(like Quechua).

Trying to join the Peace Corps might be better if you just want to learn Spanish.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you want to learn Spanish, go to a school where there aren't many people who speak English, then try to immerse yourself by getting a job in that country where you speak spanish, dating or marrying locals help as well.


I might add that unless one reads newspapers, attends a university in the target language, or does an M.A. in Spanish Literature, one is not likely to achieve more than a conversational level in the target language. Just talking to your boyfriend or girlfriend can only get one so far.

I have begun reading Taiwanese children's history books to expand my vocabulary past the level of everyday conversation.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
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If you want to learn Spanish, go to a school where there aren't many people who speak English, then try to immerse yourself by getting a job in that country where you speak spanish, dating or marrying locals help as well.


I might add that unless one reads newspapers, attends a university in the target language, or does an M.A. in Spanish Literature, one is not likely to achieve more than a conversational level in the target language. Just talking to your boyfriend or girlfriend can only get one so far.

I have begun reading Taiwanese children's history books to expand my vocabulary past the level of everyday conversation.



Agreed, but I only need coversational level. I still teach English for a living.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Agreed, but I only need coversational level. I still teach English for a living.


Yes, I guess that I am just bored with conversation level in the target language.

Hey, I have reached dating level in four languages(German, Spanish, Korean, and Mandarin). I have been on dates with people that spoke these four languages and did not speak English. I can now say that I have dated in five languages(English as well of course).
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
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Agreed, but I only need coversational level. I still teach English for a living.


Yes, I guess that I am just bored with conversation level in the target language.

Hey, I have reached dating level in four languages(German, Spanish, Korean, and Mandarin). I have been on dates with people that spoke these four languages and did not speak English. I can now say that I have dated in five languages(English as well of course).


Bet me. I ended up marrying the second guy I dated Smile three years of marriage and going strong
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cwc



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:07 am    Post subject: incredible Reply with quote

I know you guys can't be serious, I know a lot of expats, including myself, that are more fluent in Spanish than your average Mexican, no slight intended. When I got to Mexico I knew 3 Spanish words. It took 3-4 years to become fluent. However, I did live with the locals and never had cause to speak English.
For anyone that cares, I got out of Galveston just before the bridge was closed. I went back a few weeks later and my office was literally flattened. Now I use my Spanish in the Texas oilfield training new hires.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to learn Spanish join the Peace Corps. If you can do something other than teach English you can use Spanish all day.
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the suggestions to start now. Try computer programs, language tapes (Pimsleur is great and often free at your library), or books. If you can afford it, yes by all means find a good school and study a month or so. Be mindful of hiring seasons though. You wouldn't want to exclude yourself from the best opportunities.

And yes, you won't be able to practice much Spanish if you are teaching English. So you have to be very diligent about studying and also about keeping yourself in Spanish speaking environments. Easier said than done.

I guess I have a different take on 'fluency'. I consider myself (or did until recently) 'fluent' in Spanish, even though my level is low. I can understand decent speakers and converse although with problems sometimes. My eyes don't Shocked when I hear someone speaking Spanish to me, and I can answer them if only to ask them to repeat it sometimes. On the other hand, I'm not fluent in French even though I studied it forever. I just have never used it much. For me fluency is more comfort level and the ability to carry on general conversations.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: incredible Reply with quote

cwc wrote:
I know you guys can't be serious, I know a lot of expats, including myself, that are more fluent in Spanish than your average Mexican, no slight intended. When I got to Mexico I knew 3 Spanish words. It took 3-4 years to become fluent. However, I did live with the locals and never had cause to speak English.
For anyone that cares, I got out of Galveston just before the bridge was closed. I went back a few weeks later and my office was literally flattened. Now I use my Spanish in the Texas oilfield training new hires.


What's your idea of fluent? That has a lot to do with things.
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