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Robin53



Joined: 24 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Job for an oldie? Reply with quote

Hello - I'm interested in finding out about what the chances are at finding a job in Japan at my age which is late 50's. I've been teaching in Chinese state schools for the past few years not so much for the salary which is low, but for the lifestyle. The jobs here come with a free apartment and utilities, 16 classes a week, paid school holidays, and a return airfare at the end of a one year contract. I was a high-school teacher in my own country (native-speaking) for several years before I came to China.

The reason I would like to go to Japan is that in the early 1980's I lived there for 5 years while I studied at a national university as a research student. Before that I studied the language for 3 years at a language school in Tokyo and can still speak Japanese. Life was pretty tough for me in those days. I didn't have a degree and had to pay language school fees and university fees so was always rushing around from one part time job to another. When I went back home to my own country I finished my degree and did post-graduate language teacher training.

Much as it was back in the 1980's I've heard that its still the same, and that you need to be young, good looking, and preferably American to get a job there as an English teacher. The money is not so important to me now. What is important is being in a stress-free environment where my teaching abilities and skills are appreciated, and the management staff are supportive. If anyone knows of such a place in Japan I would be interested to learn more.

Ogenki de,

Robin
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Much as it was back in the 1980's I've heard that its still the same, and that you need to be young, good looking, and preferably American to get a job there as an English teacher.
Not so. Your info is outdated.

The market has changed, though. It's harder to get work because it's saturated. I hope you already knew about NOVA folding.

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The money is not so important to me now.
AGood, because the salaries are still pretty much the same.

However, if you are hoping to get return airfare, free apartment and free utilities, forget it.


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What is important is being in a stress-free environment where my teaching abilities and skills are appreciated, and the management staff are supportive.
What sort of school did you hope to work in? Did you say you had a teaching license and experience back home? If so, go for an international school. I don't know about the stress. Nearly any job will give that to you.
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Robin53



Joined: 24 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:26 am    Post subject: Job for an oldie Reply with quote

Thanks Glenski. Rather than an international school, I was thinking more of a state high-school. This is the sort of teaching I trained in and have most experience in. In general, I don't like profit-driven private language schools, but that would be something I would consider in Japan.

I disagree about all teaching jobs being stressful. Once the reports from students start coming in to management that you know how to deliver a curriculum in a fun, positively reinforcing way, and once a good relationship has been established with management staff, then teaching can become a creative and non-stressful occupation.

Its Monday, so hope you have a good teaching week.
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Cole



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Working in Japan Reply with quote

I sent you a PM.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"State school"? = public school? Good luck! Those jobs are almost always held by ALTs (dispatch company or JET programme). Only in rare occasions do they hire directly.

Don't know why you would want such a job anyway. Read about classroom chaos.

At least in an international school, you don't have to use Japanese in class.

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Once the reports from students start coming in to management that you know how to deliver a curriculum in a fun, positively reinforcing way, and once a good relationship has been established with management staff, then teaching can become a creative and non-stressful occupation.
You've never taught in Japan, have you? Students are forced to attend English classes. Zero motivation in most cases. Grammar is taught in an archaic parochial way by the J teachers, and it aimed at passing arcane college entrance exams, not at learning how to use the language.

I spent 4 years in a private school here. Boatloads of stress. 17-22 classes per week (meaning up to 11 different lesson plans per week), mandatory club activities that stripped your time away 3-7 days a week, usually beginning at 4-6pm, half a dozen pointless yet mandatory meetings per week conducted only in Japanese (often just to read memos that they wanted to make sure you "read" instead of deleted or ashcanned), etc.
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Robin53



Joined: 24 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:13 pm    Post subject: Job for an oldie Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies.

Glenski - yes I have taught in a Japanese school. If you read the second paragraph in the first post it says this. I mainly taught in state high schools back in the early 1980's in the Tokyo area, as well as at a lot of private schools part-time. The student behaviours you describe are true, but then it is also true of a western high-school unless you have the skills to turn it around into a postive, and fun learning environment.

My Japanese language ability means that I could follow the agenda of a teachers meeting in Japanese. Teachers meetings, although at times tedious and boring, are also regular features of western schools believe it or not.

Glenski, it sounds as if you have had enough of teaching, and enough of living in Japan. Maybe its time for a break back in your own country, and some serious teacher training so that you can learn how to manage a large unruly class, and why it is important to follow a school's need for attending teacher meetings.

Apart from that, the lack of response in this topic means I'm correct in assuming there is no place for oldies in the Japanese ESL market. Thanks to those of you who replied.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming that the lack of responses to your topic on this one forum means there are no jobs for people in your age bracket is quite a leap. It just means that the limited selection of people who post here don't know, not that the jobs don't exist.

Since you were making assumptions about the motivations of other posters here, I'll assume that your giving up based on what you read here means you don't really want to teach in Japan.
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Glenski



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