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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: Dress code for doctors being lashed in KSA |
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I've heard that those sentenced to a lashing in KSA may wear clothing that affords some protection from the whip. I'm unlikely to find myself in this situation (Scotty would love to have the whip in his hand) but wonder what you recommend. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Dress code for doctors being lashed in KSA |
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sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
I've heard that those sentenced to a lashing in KSA may wear clothing that affords some protection from the whip. |
Yes. Some years ago, I have attended a lashing of two Pakistanis in a public area, one of them was wearing a thick leather jacket on top of his traditional Pakistani clothes.
In addition, the policeman who was lashing the Ppakistani was following the rules of lashing. One of the rules is that he has to use the whip without lifting his arm more than 90 degrees !
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I'm unlikely to find myself in this situation (Scotty would love to have the whip in his hand) but wonder what you recommend. |
Of course he would.
I imagine Uncle Scotty lashing you using a white Golf whip and wearing his purple kilt!  |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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Lashing ? I was considering beheading. |
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sheikh radlinrol
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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scot47 wrote: |
Lashing ? I was considering beheading. |
Why not have me hung, drawn and quartered? |
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Mark100
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: |
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sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
scot47 wrote: |
Lashing ? I was considering beheading. |
Why not have me hung, drawn and quartered? |
As an English teacher you should really be hanged, drawn and quartered!!! |
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Sheikh N Bake

Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1307 Location: Dis ting of ours
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Indeed, hanged...which holds when referring to the execution or suicide but not, I think, in other contexts...somewhat anomalous to "proven" (at least in American English) traditionally considered correct only in the context of court adjudications. IE, His hypothesis was proved wrong. We are innocent until proven guilty. |
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Mark100
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Sheikh N Bake wrote: |
Indeed, hanged...which holds when referring to the execution or suicide but not, I think, in other contexts...somewhat anomalous to "proven" (at least in American English) traditionally considered correct only in the context of court adjudications. IE, His hypothesis was proved wrong. We are innocent until proven guilty. |
It is a mute point really as common usage has been for hung and hanged to be used interchangebly.
When i was at school only pictures were hung but prisoners were hanged.
I am not a grammar nazi so my post was really tongue in cheek. |
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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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You people are definately rediculously wierd.
But to answer the OP's question, I would go with a thick leather jacket, or a stuffed fluffy windbreaker (or even better, the latter underneath the former).
A chain-mail shirt worn on top of a normal shirt would actually cause lots of pain and torment. A chain-mail shirt on top of a leather jacket, now that can't be beat! |
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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Mark100 wrote: |
sheikh radlinrol wrote: |
scot47 wrote: |
Lashing ? I was considering beheading. |
Why not have me hung, drawn and quartered? |
As an English teacher you should really be hanged, drawn and quartered!!! |
Sorry Mark, but I disagree. It's true that people were ''hanged'' in the UK until the 1960s but the expression ''hung, drawn and quartered'' goes back much further.
Regards
SR |
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Sheikh N Bake

Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1307 Location: Dis ting of ours
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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..and I meant "analogous," not "anomalous" That was an anomaly. Hung and hanged may constitute a moot point, but if you think it's "definately rediculously wierd" (I hope that was tongue in cheek) to enjoy discussing or even showing an interest in the permutations of the English lexicon, well excuuuuuse me! |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: Well, I'll be hung! |
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Dear Sheikh,
"Indeed, hanged...which holds when referring to the execution or suicide but not, I think, in other contexts."
The way I leaned it (and have always taught it) is - hanged is for people, hung is for things.
However, I thank you for inspiring me to research, for I discovered some interesting items:
"For centuries, hanged and hung were used interchangeably as the past participle of hang. Most contemporary usage guides insist that hanged, not hung, should be used when referring to executions: convicted killers are hanged; posters are hung. But note the following observations.
Observations:
"The distinction between hanged and hung is not an especially useful one (although a few commentators claim otherwise). It is, however, a simple one and easy to remember. Therein lies its popularity. If you make a point of observing the distinction in your writing you will not thereby become a better writer, but you will spare yourself the annoyance of being corrected for having done something that is not wrong."
(Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage, 1994)
"Hanged, as a past tense and a past participle of hang, is used in the sense of �to put to death by hanging,� as in Frontier courts hanged many a prisoner after a summary trial. A majority of the Usage Panel objects to hung used in this sense. In all other senses of the word, hung is the preferred form as past tense and past participle, as in I hung my child's picture above my desk.
(The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition, 2000)
Still, I think I'll stick with the distinction. After all, to say -
"The stockings were hanged by the chimney with care
in the hopes that St. Nicholas soon would be there."
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to refer to the Tarot card as "The Hung Man."
sounds, to my ear, awkward.
Regards,
John
P.S. Incidentally, here's a diary entry from way back:
"The executions were popular public events. The casual manner in which people approached these grim spectacles is indicated by the entry in Samuel Pepys' Diary for 13th October 1660:
"To my Lord's in the morning, where I met with Captain Cuttance, but my Lord not being up I went out to Charing Cross, to see Major-general Harrison hanged, drawn; and quartered; which was done there, he looking as cheerful as any man could do in that condition. He was presently cut down, and his head and heart shown to the people, at which there was great shouts of joy." |
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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Dear John
I'm sure you are correct but ''hung, drawn and quartered'' sounds OK to me. BTW are you ''well-hung'' or ''well-hanged''? I'm neither. |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I think Uncle Scotty will hang all of you by the Balls if you continue discussing the topic of hanging!  |
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sheikh radlinrol
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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007 wrote: |
Well, I think Uncle Scotty will hang all of you by the Balls if you continue discussing the topic of hanging!  |
That sounds painful. |
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