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What is your marital status? |
Never married |
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44% |
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First (and hopefully only) marriage |
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33% |
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Second time around |
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Third time lucky! |
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3% |
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Just call me Elizabeth Taylor |
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Honky Nick
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 113 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: ESL Teaching and Divorce |
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Just wondering if our transient lifestyles are compatible with long-lasting marriage.
How did you all go?
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roym
Joined: 17 Nov 2008 Posts: 42
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Well I have lived in a back of beyond backwater in Australia now for 14 years. Married 12 of those to my wife who was widowed with 2 young lads now 21 and 20 yrs old.
They've got the heck out of this hole now but my wife has no intention of moving. Trapped in comfort zone for too long. Come with me to Vietnam and teach English....more chance of plaiting fog!!!
Well, end of the road looks nigh cos I ain't wasting any more of my life in this narrow minded nightmare......Good Morning Vietnam!!! |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: Re: ESL Teaching and Divorce |
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Honky Nick wrote: |
Just wondering if our transient lifestyles are compatible with long-lasting marriage.
How did you all go? |
Not everyone HAS a transient lifestyle. None of the people married in Japan that I know has. If you get married in Japan, chances are good that you will either live the rest of your time in Japan, OR you will move to your home country with your wife/ husband (and possibly back to Japan after that) but the chance of then going to a bunch of other countries (other than to visit) drops by A LOT. |
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Honky Nick
Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 113 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: |
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That's true - not everyone changes countries every couple of years. I live in Hong Kong and many of my friends are happily married and some will raise their children here.
Nevertheless, teaching overseas, whether for 10 months or 10 years, is bound to have a significant (positive or negative) impact on relationships. I'm just curious about everyone else's experiences. Are you a teaching couple, travelling around the world together? Did you ditch your husband and teach ESL in Japan for ten years only to fall in love with a kind-hearted 7-11 clerk named Hiroshi? Did you leave your wife after falling in love with a student?
Maybe I should have created two topics:
ESL Love Stories
ESL Divorce Stories
Maybe I could steal them all and publish a book. Pardon me - I think I've had too much coffee this morning. |
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Marcoregano

Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 872 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:15 am Post subject: |
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Going into TEFL certainly resulted in marriage for me. Before coming to Asia I hadn't come anywhere near getting married - in fact, I had only had a few fleeting relationships. I met my wife almost immediately after coming to Asia - on the EPIK programme in Korea (I'm British, she's from the US) - and then we came to HK together two years later. As I didn't have a work visa for HK it made sense for us to get married, as I would then have a 'dependant' work visa via her visa (as she was working for the government). So we got married for pragmatic reasons shortly after arriving in HK - neither of us is a great believer in the institution of marriage.
However, I agree with the OP that living together overseas, especially if you originate from different countries, puts a lot of strain on the marriage. For starters, visiting our respective parents together effectively takes up most of our summer hols, and is also expensive. And deciding where and when to go after HK - very tricky indeed!
I often think that if I had not met my wife, I'd probably have worked in many Asian countries. Then again, I might have married a Korean, had kids and still be in Korea. It's pointless speculating I guess, but given my natural roaming instincts, I suspect that my marriage has resulted in a more settled life (in the years since) than I would otherwise have had. |
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Nabby Adams
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 215
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: |
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I think TEFL gives those who were less able to find a partner back home but wanted to settle down more chances of doing so. It also reduces the chances that those who would rather spend their life a swinging single would settle for marriage out of fear etc than if they had stayed home. It is just too easy to stay single but never lonely in Asia for example. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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I never wanted to get married and just wanted to travel. I've now been married for three years, have a house, car, and plan for kids in a couple years.
I don't know if it's TEFL that causes divorce, I think it's the way things are in the world. I have three friends who divorced, one's only 22, the others are about 28. One's remarried and is happy. I think you have to do a lot of thinking before you get married.
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So we got married for pragmatic reasons shortly after arriving in HK - neither of us is a great believer in the institution of marriage. . |
Why not? I've never understood people who say this. If you plan on staying together for the rest of your life, you might as wel get married. If you don't, to me at least, it shows lack of comittment. Kind of like you're acknowledging that it won't last. |
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Mike_2007
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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If you plan on staying together for the rest of your life, you might as wel get married. If you don't, to me at least, it shows lack of comittment. |
Not at all, not being married simply shows a lack of obligation.
If you're with someone, building a future with them, sharing your life with them, then you're committed in any real sense of the word. Divorce is so easy these days that getting married demonstrates no commitment. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Divorce isn't easy. It takes four years here. Two living apart and two for the paperwork. |
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Mike_2007
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Divorce isn't easy. It takes four years here. Two living apart and two for the paperwork. |
That's probably an extreme case. I applied for divorce on Monday, went to court on Friday. Walked out 30 minutes later a free man. Paperwork: one signature. Cost: pocket change.
And if it's so difficult a contract to get out, isn't that just the more reason for an emotional or spiritual commitment rather than a legal one? |
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ESL Hobo
Joined: 23 Oct 2008 Posts: 262
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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My POV as a guy,
I'd say it's just as easy to fall in love and get married "in the far east" as it is to live the single life, for a guy.
Also it depends, if a tefl trekking dude with wonderlust marries someone who wants to rooted forever in one place, there are going to be problems.
If 2 tefl trekkers get married, they stand a chance at a longer relationship, but may fight over where to go next, hahahaha.
Statistically, the 2 highest causes of divorce are infidelity and lack of funds. What are the chances of a freewheeling tefler having trouble in both of those catagories. But as someone pointed out there are a lot more teflers settling down abroad nowadays.
I have met some guys that come to asia with their western wives(young couples out for adventure) and it usually ends up the guy gets seduced by some asian chick who doesnt give a rats a** if he is married or not, LOL.
Great question and will have loads of differing answers, good luck your book on Tefler Romances and Marriage.  |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: |
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Mike_2007 wrote: |
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Divorce isn't easy. It takes four years here. Two living apart and two for the paperwork. |
That's probably an extreme case. I applied for divorce on Monday, went to court on Friday. Walked out 30 minutes later a free man. Paperwork: one signature. Cost: pocket change.
And if it's so difficult a contract to get out, isn't that just the more reason for an emotional or spiritual commitment rather than a legal one? |
Nope That's just Peru. TOok me four months to get married civilly. You can't get married in the church until you have a civil wedding, but if you bribe the priest, then they'll marry you, but like I said, it's not legal.
Can't imagine getting divorced. My friend is going through it now. First they hav to live apart for two years, then apply for the divorce. her lawyer says that because they're young, the judge may not grant it becuase they have lots of time to work out differences. If he does grant it, then two more years of paperwork. I kid you not, they love paperwork here. |
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Marcoregano

Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 872 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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naturegirl321 wrote: |
If you plan on staying together for the rest of your life, you might as wel get married. If you don't, to me at least, it shows lack of comittment. Kind of like you're acknowledging that it won't last. |
If a relationship is worthwhile you shouldn't need a piece of paper to prove it!
As for making divorce difficult - I wonder how many people end up trapped in a marriage they no longer want? I think divorce should be troublesome enough to give you pause for thought, but four years is ridiculous.
And don't forget that marriage is a relatively recent invention - humans got by just fine without it for, I dunno, a few hundred thousand years... |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Marcoregano wrote: |
naturegirl321 wrote: |
If you plan on staying together for the rest of your life, you might as wel get married. If you don't, to me at least, it shows lack of comittment. Kind of like you're acknowledging that it won't last. |
If a relationship is worthwhile you shouldn't need a piece of paper to prove it! . |
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Mike_2007
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 349 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, visas....the modern day dowery  |
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