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lareveuse
Joined: 25 Nov 2008 Posts: 1
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Native English speaker/ Fluent English Speaker |
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Hi guys,
I�m Natalia, originally from Argentina. I�m right now in Buenos Aires but I lived in other countries before. I�m fluent in English and I hold a Diploma in Visual Communication done in an English Institute in Singapore.
My question is, how is the job market out there for people who are fluent but not native speakers? do we also have good chances to get a job as an English teacher?
I remember when I was learning English and French, most of my teachers were fluent but not native speakers. So I�m interested in becoming a teacher but I dont want to spend lots of money and time to realize later that schools only take native English speakers with Degrees...
I would really appreciate any thoughts on this
Cheers
Nat |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on what qualifications you have. When I studied French and Spanish in school, my teachers were also fluent non-natives. They were from Iowa, same as me.
I guess that most countries are hesitant about hiring foreign non-natives, though, and I can see their reasons. They have non-natives locally, and have little reason to import them. That said, I've regularly worked in English teacher training with non-natives from all over- but to work overseas, they have MAs, PhDs, and a pile of paper that indicates a level of qualifications that locals may not have.
If you're a non-native speaker, you're going to need more qualifications.
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on what qualifications you have. When I studied French and Spanish in school, my teachers were also fluent non-natives. They were from Iowa, same as me.
I guess that most countries are hesitant about hiring foreign non-natives, though, and I can see their reasons. They have non-natives locally, and have little reason to import them. That said, I've regularly worked in English teacher training with non-natives from all over- but to work overseas, they have MAs, PhDs, and a pile of paper that indicates a level of qualifications that locals may not have.
If you're a non-native speaker, you're going to need more qualifications.
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on the country and type of teaching job you want.
In Japan, non-native English speakers can get English teaching jobs, but it's harder because the immigration requirements are stiffer. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on where you want to go. Some countries, due to visa requirements, only hire native speakers. |
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Gusss
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 81
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand employers are aware that a native speaker doesnt make a good teacher. If a native speaker is unable to explain the hidden rules of the language he is actually not as useful as a non native who can (apart form pronunciation). It depends where you go - certainly in Spain you could teach no problem. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Gusss wrote: |
On the other hand employers are aware that a native speaker doesnt make a good teacher. |
Perhaps you meant to say that "a native speaker with no training in language teaching doesn't make a good teacher"  |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 199 Location: NYC/Warszawa
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Here is a question for you guys�
I am a Polish citizen, but have been living in the US for almost 20 years now (most of my life). My English is much stronger than my Polish� I am CELTA certified and on my way back to Poland to teach� am I a native speaker? |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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I'd say so, my qusetion to you is, why haven't you applied for citizenship? |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008 Posts: 199 Location: NYC/Warszawa
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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naturegirl321 wrote: |
I'd say so, my qusetion to you is, why haven't you applied for citizenship? |
That's a very good question naturegirl... very good question indeed hahaha... actually I just received the package couple of weeks ago... I'm working on it.. it's a looooong story and it involves 13 years of fighting deportation and enjoying the nightmare that is the US immigration system. |
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Mr. Kalgukshi Mod Team


Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Posts: 6613 Location: Need to know basis only.
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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A posting has been deleted. Let's stay on topic. Another jab at a nationality or country will result in a severe sanction. Please take personal political agendas elsewhere. |
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Gusss
Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 81
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Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:36 am Post subject: |
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MO39 wrote: |
Gusss wrote: |
On the other hand employers are aware that a native speaker doesnt make a good teacher. |
Perhaps you meant to say that "a native speaker with no training in language teaching doesn't make a good teacher"  |
Without meaning to be willfully contrary - Yes and no. I have talked to several employers who feel that because non native speakers have had to learn the language from scratch often as an adult they are often better able to explain the hidden rules, grammar and nuances than a native speaker who has done a CELTA simply because they have had to go through the same process as the students themselves. Of course a non native speaker will never be able to compete with a native on pronunciation (unless they are from Glasgow).
On top of that I do not necessarily believe that TEFL courses make you a good teacher - they give you a bit of paper that says you can teach , but as we all know that is not necessarily the case. I have known CELTA qualified teachers that are abysmal and people with no formal training that are great so...... |
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Carll101
Joined: 17 Oct 2008 Posts: 45
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I'm french Canadian and the first thing I did to start my ESL career was to take a CELTA. I think it showed that I was serious about teaching, and I didn't have any trouble finding a job after. But then I'm Canadian, lot of people don't know some Canadians are not native speakers. |
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jpvanderwerf2001
Joined: 02 Oct 2003 Posts: 1117 Location: New York
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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Gusss wrote: |
MO39 wrote: |
Gusss wrote: |
On the other hand employers are aware that a native speaker doesnt make a good teacher. |
Perhaps you meant to say that "a native speaker with no training in language teaching doesn't make a good teacher"  |
Without meaning to be willfully contrary - Yes and no. I have talked to several employers who feel that because non native speakers have had to learn the language from scratch often as an adult they are often better able to explain the hidden rules, grammar and nuances than a native speaker who has done a CELTA simply because they have had to go through the same process as the students themselves. Of course a non native speaker will never be able to compete with a native on pronunciation (unless they are from Glasgow).
On top of that I do not necessarily believe that TEFL courses make you a good teacher - they give you a bit of paper that says you can teach , but as we all know that is not necessarily the case. I have known CELTA qualified teachers that are abysmal and people with no formal training that are great so...... |
I'd be very interested to know which "hidden rules, grammar and nuances" a native speaker cannot deal with. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps you meant to say that "a native speaker with no training in language teaching doesn't make a good teacher" |
Ha or in some cases they make a better teacher. While a trained teacher is often better one might argue in Asia that actually hearing your teacher speak English is a lot better that having someone speak your native language most of the class. A whole lot more of the target language will be acquired by actually listening to the language than having a trained teacher. |
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