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Bangskat



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:38 am    Post subject: new newbie strategy needed ! Reply with quote

I think about teaching in Japan and maybe Shanghai for the pay, I know the expenses are huge there... but I have lived in Indonesia for 8 years and 10 more off and on before that and I of course I speak bahasa rather fluently,, so do any of you think that tips the playing field in my direction enough to stay in a city like Bandung or Jakarta? I'm a fit youthfull 53 with no degree, just a TEFL cert, a love of the English language and a real need to market myself for what I know rather that what I can manufacture or merchandise. I'm not into living at a subsistance level anymore, I will need a decent salary, $13 juta at least in indonesia. What do you think, is it time for me to start learning Japanese?

thanks, you guys are an amazing source of info. Bangskat
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try to move up in the world, be a DOS or open a school
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: new newbie strategy needed ! Reply with quote

Bangskat wrote:
I think about teaching in Japan...(snip)
is it time for me to start learning Japanese?
Uh, yes. Don't you think the two go together?



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I know the expenses are huge there... but I have lived in Indonesia for 8 years
What is the connection? Living standards in Indonesia and Japan are totally different.

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I'm a fit youthfull 53 with no degree, just a TEFL cert,
There's the rub, no degree. Unless you have 3 or more years of teaching experience, you won't qualify in Japan for a work visa.
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: new newbie strategy needed ! Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:

There's the rub, no degree. Unless you have 3 or more years of teaching experience, you won't qualify in Japan for a work visa.


Glenski, does this mean 3 years of teaching experience can be an alternative to a degree for visa purposes?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick,
Yes. 3 years of full-time work. You will have to prove it, of course, with whatever means you can... pay stubs, tax records, your face in the school catalogue, letter of recommendation, etc.

Many/Most employers still want people with degrees, though, so don't think this is a magic bullet. All it does it get you by immigration.
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Bangskat



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have friends in Osaka who could ease the transition for me and teaching is in demand in so many ways there but you are right about the visa requirements.. there are ways around it by renewing visitors visas but that sounds like more problems that i dont need.

I like the idea of staying in Indonesia, as dificult as it may be to get to know for newcommers, its more like home to me than anywhere else, I havnt been on western soil for 8 years now. Perhaps I can find a niche in Bandung, I'm hoping that a positive interview will make up for the lack of a degree. Here in Indonesia people assume you got your degree the same way they did, and the way many elected officials did, by buying one. (I did'n say most).

Not to infer in any way the lack of practical use of a formal education, my father was a professor, but the list of non degreed acheivers throughout history is indeed impressive. Nonetheless, in stating as such I do betray a tad of regret in having chosen a different path.
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Bangskat



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, I know.... i before e except after c.... hehe.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
nick,
Many/Most employers still want people with degrees, though, so don't think this is a magic bullet.


With the diminishing availability of jobs in Japan, I think even this might be an understatement. Without a degree, realistically, I think you'd be looking at part-time work. That in itself isn't so much of a problem (if you don't mind running around a lot), but visa sponsorship probably would be.
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