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Suwon23
Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 50
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: Eikaiwa That Aren't Picky |
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I asked this some time ago, but maybe someone else will see this. I'm moving to Japan in the spring, and I need a school that will take anybody, and I mean anybody. No standards. No expectations. I need a sure thing, because there's no alternative for me if I fail to get a job. I know about AEON, but what other options are there, preferably ones with even lower standards. I have one year teaching in Korea, a bachelors, and a pulse, that's it. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Eikaiwa That Aren't Picky |
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Suwon23 wrote: |
I asked this some time ago, but maybe someone else will see this. I'm moving to Japan in the spring, and I need a school that will take anybody, and I mean anybody. No standards. No expectations. I need a sure thing, because there's no alternative for me if I fail to get a job. I know about AEON, but what other options are there, preferably ones with even lower standards. I have one year teaching in Korea, a bachelors, and a pulse, that's it. |
Oh, boy! Do I see trouble in some Eikaiwa's future if they hire this gem!
P.s.- OP, what exactly does "Eikaiwa" mean when it translates correctly into English?
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stillnosheep

Joined: 01 Mar 2004 Posts: 2068 Location: eslcafe
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Geos, ECC, Wishborn (really low standards), other smaller chains who sometimes advertise on dave's |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Suwon,
There are those posters who will say you are prime material for any eikaiwa simply because of your qualifications and the fact that any eikaiwa has no standards.
They are almost right.
You have the minimal qualifications for a work visa and entry level work here. That's it. Want an eikaiwa job? Settle for whatever you can get at the moment, as long as the contract is relatively fair. In this recession and flooded market, nobody is going to let you in on their sweet deal. You are the competition to them.
Just don't expect employers to pay your airfare or housing, like they might do in Korea. Learn what the average contract looks like, post your questions here, and we'll be glad to give you advice on that employer.
If you're planning to come in spring and then job hunt, it makes logistic sense to plan ahead by contacting some employers to let them know when you will arrive, so you can minimize down time and interview as quickly as possible. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: |
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There is no "sure thing". I have come across a number of people who were turned down by Nova and even Gaba. No eikaiwa will hire you if they think you are likely to lose them students. Reasons I have seen for people not being hired or being canned partway throught training:
Appearance (i.e. scruffiness), lack of flexibility re. teaching times and student ages/levels, coming across as uncommunicative or sullen, refusal to even attempt to stick to the eikaiwa's methods even during training, constant lateness during training and complete inability to adjust language to the students' level, among others.
Don't come if not being accepted is going to cause you serious problems.
I have also seen posts here and elsewhere from people who said they were turned down by Geos and or ECC. |
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Nabby Adams
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 215
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Shane school of English will hire you. The lowest of the low for sure, you'll only make 1400yen an hour, but they'll hire anyone.
Modern English, again in the kansai area, again 1400 an hour, again they can't be picky.
There are still many jobs teaching kids that pay rubish and must employ virtually anyone. |
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AgentMulderUK

Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 360 Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: Re: Eikaiwa That Aren't Picky |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
Suwon23 wrote: |
I asked this some time ago, but maybe someone else will see this. I'm moving to Japan in the spring, and I need a school that will take anybody, and I mean anybody. No standards. No expectations. I need a sure thing, because there's no alternative for me if I fail to get a job. I know about AEON, but what other options are there, preferably ones with even lower standards. I have one year teaching in Korea, a bachelors, and a pulse, that's it. |
Oh, boy! Do I see trouble in some Eikaiwa's future if they hire this gem!
P.s.- OP, what exactly does "Eikaiwa" mean when it translates correctly into English?
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It's a contraction of "Eigo" (English) with the Japanese for conversation.
So it means "English Conversation". |
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Khyron
Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 291 Location: Tokyo Metro City
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:42 am Post subject: |
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Nabby Adams wrote: |
Shane school of English will hire you. The lowest of the low for sure, you'll only make 1400yen an hour, but they'll hire anyone. |
I assume that's different from Shane English School Japan (aka. Saxoncourt)? They pay a standard 250,000/month or 3,000-4,300/hour, depending on what you're teaching. If you aren't American, you have a good chance with them if you don't mind a few 6-day weeks here and there. |
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GreenEyes
Joined: 22 Jun 2007 Posts: 40 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: ... |
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My turn to be the grumpy poster.
OP, just do the children a favor and teach high school students or adults, okay? You sound worse than depressed, and frankly I would feel uncomfortable making any kind of a recommendation for a school that involves contact with younger children. I don't care how desperate someone is for work, when it comes to children I'm protective and cautious.
In fairness to your well being, though, I hope you find something that suits you, that it doesn't come down to grabbing the first and only job available to you. And I hope that you find some sense of comfort that perhaps you were lacking in Korea.
Cheers. |
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AgentMulderUK

Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 360 Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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GreenEyes wrote: |
My turn to be the grumpy poster.
OP, just do the children a favor and teach high school students or adults, okay? You sound worse than depressed, and frankly I would feel uncomfortable making any kind of a recommendation for a school that involves contact with younger children. I don't care how desperate someone is for work, when it comes to children I'm protective and cautious.
In fairness to your well being, though, I hope you find something that suits you, that it doesn't come down to grabbing the first and only job available to you. And I hope that you find some sense of comfort that perhaps you were lacking in Korea.
Cheers. |
Not grumpy enough for my tastes. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Eikaiwa That Aren't Picky |
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AgentMulderUK wrote: |
Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
Suwon23 wrote: |
I asked this some time ago, but maybe someone else will see this. I'm moving to Japan in the spring, and I need a school that will take anybody, and I mean anybody. No standards. No expectations. I need a sure thing, because there's no alternative for me if I fail to get a job. I know about AEON, but what other options are there, preferably ones with even lower standards. I have one year teaching in Korea, a bachelors, and a pulse, that's it. |
Oh, boy! Do I see trouble in some Eikaiwa's future if they hire this gem!
P.s.- OP, what exactly does "Eikaiwa" mean when it translates correctly into English?
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It's a contraction of "Eigo" (English) with the Japanese for conversation.
So it means "English Conversation". |
Thanks, AMUK, but the question was for the guy with the questionable pulse. Now, you've made him an expert at teaching English in Japan...Sheesh!
I can hear him right now in an interview, "You know, one thing that I've always admired about your industry, the Eikaiwa, is the fact that the word itself is a contraction of "Eigo" (English) with the Japanese for conversation meaning "English Conversation". Japanese interviewer's internal dialogue: "Sugoi, ne!"...external dialogue: "Sore ja, you're hired!"
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AgentMulderUK

Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 360 Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)
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AgentMulderUK

Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 360 Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)
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GreenEyes
Joined: 22 Jun 2007 Posts: 40 Location: Japan
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Shucks, the Agent is getting lonely. Not enough grump talk, eh?
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Suwon23
Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 50
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: Re: Eikaiwa That Aren't Picky |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
Thanks, AMUK, but the question was for the guy with the questionable pulse. Now, you've made him an expert at teaching English in Japan...Sheesh!
I can hear him right now in an interview, "You know, one thing that I've always admired about your industry, the Eikaiwa, is the fact that the word itself is a contraction of "Eigo" (English) with the Japanese for conversation meaning "English Conversation". Japanese interviewer's internal dialogue: "Sugoi, ne!"...external dialogue: "Sore ja, you're hired!" |
どうして、 日本語 で 話して できない と 決め込みます か?
Thanks for the replies. It happens that I am not depressed or unhappy with Korea, I'm just really, really determined to go to Japan (failure is NOT an option- I have wanted this since I was a wee kid), so I need a school that I know I can get into. Geos will be tricky, because they require you to fly to Vancouver two or three times during the application process (3500 miles from my house) at your own expense. I will look into Shane's English, though. Thanks again, and keep the ideas coming if you have any more!  |
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