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Cost of living in KSA
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Sheikh N Bake



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

filibuster verb (with object) 5. U.S. Politics. to impede (legislation) by irregular or obstructive tactics, esp. by making long speeches.
[dictionary.com]

The quote is a creative but not unreasonable use of the word, in a broad sense, even if we're not talking about legislation.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MyTrunkshow wrote:
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Some rough examples.......Riyals...................... Approx. US.
Gasoline(91 oct/gallon)... 1.8sr............................ $0.48 (12cents/litre)



Let me explain.

Gasoline, 91 octane per gallon is 1.8sr/gallon which equals $0.48us cents/gallon or about 12 US cents/litre. When I fill up, I put in about 10 gallons or about US$4.80. Gas is a standard 45halalals/litre according to the King who set the price several years ago. Higher octane costs 25% higher and diesel costs less...about 6us cents a litre or 25 cents/gallon. The running Saudi joke is water costs more than petrol....a lot more.

For those of us who are leaving a significant carbon footprint, it is an absolute pleasure to pull up to the pump and fill up. An absolute consumer joy.

Start squinting yourself.

As far as food goes, excellent local food can be had for 10 sr/person. Not just takeaway, but sit down food. I'm not talking exotic ethnic cuisine or Chilli's or Applebees but local food. Granted, I'm in Hail where we have no restaurants at the high end where two people could possibly spend 100, but then we are in the sticks. The most expensive item on any menu I've seen is 35sr in the restaurant on the little hill overlooking downtown (I use 'downtown' gratuitously) Hail. Seems to me the bigger cities have more options and more chance to blow one's easily earned riyals.

As far as transportation goes, transport is an expense not an investment. But 40sr round trip once/twice/thrice/week. Do you really think that is expensive? I think it's a reasonable amount for travel. The ratio of travel costs to wage is low here.

I understand that single women can ride in the company of a married couple. At least, that is what I see. Someone correct me if this is not allowed but I was told it was.

mts


Don'cha mean, "Let me 'splain sumptin' to ya, Lucy? Far be it from me to correct someone with the length and breadth of living in S.A., especially someone in the cosmopolitan city of Hail. As the Japanese would say, "Gomen". Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the question of comparative costs, KSA remains one of the few places on Planet Terra where a teacher of EFL can live reasonably well and save a Euro or two.

And that is one of the reasons why I choose to be here.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot's last sentence without the political double-speak:

And that is the one and only reason why I choose to be here. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear trapezius,
I suspect it may be a little presumptuous of you (and perhaps some "projection" is involved) to "translate" scot47's post.
While I know it's probably hard to believe that although the salary is often the only incentive, it can occasionally be only one of the incentives, that is
indeed true.
De gustibus non est disputandum.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear trapezius,

While I know it's probably hard to believe that although the salary is often the only incentive, it can occasionally be only one of the incentives, that is
indeed true.


Dear johnslat,

Not for this country it isn't, unless you fall into one of the following categories:

- You want to be near the Islamic holy sites
- You have very close relatives here
- You are studying/researching Arab and/or Islamic culture
- You are a Palestinian or Iraqi refugee

And would it be presumptuous of me to say that scot doesn't fall into any of those categories?

If salaries for Western teachers/lecturers were reduced tomorrow to, say, SR. 8,000/month (as they are for non-Western lecturers, and even lower; and that 8,000 is a package, not base salary), scot would be gone celerius quam asparagi cocuntur, and so would you (and everybody else, save a few)! Was that presumptuous of me? Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear trapezius,

"Was that presumptuous of me?"

Guess we'll have to wait for scot47 to tell us.

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John
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cost of living all depends on what you earn. Some teachers are really badly paid (especially in the private schools). Most salaries on offer in the universities and community colleges are survival salaries. Some of the private universities are paying big bucks. You can manage if you making 10,000+ per month but below that will be a struggle. If you have kids, make sure your job includes school fees, otherwise forget coming here. Some places also give lousy accomodation so that is something to take into consideration. The Kingdom is facing hard times and even a lot of Saudis are struggling to make ends meet.
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sheikh radlinrol



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

battleshipb_b wrote:
The cost of living all depends on what you earn.

Nonsense. The cost of living in KSA (or any other country) has NOTHING to do with your earnings. The poor Bangladeshi in the Kingdom pays the same price for his apples as the highly paid American engineer.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When comparing nations' in cost of living, it is most useful to compare purchasing power. That is, compare both median salaries and cost of products, housing and services. Everything is so cheap in Thailand but the pay is abysmal too. It's less cut and dry in the Gulf. Cost of living is similar to the average US city, but cheaper than Europe.

As for me, whether I wish to teach in this miserable "profession" in the US or in the Gulf Middle East depends on housing. Since salaries in community colleges in the US are similar to university salaries in the Gulf, the housing becomes a deciding factor. My house happens to be paid off, and I can claim a number of effective tax deductions. So if I were employed in ESL here, I would personally see no compelling reason to teach in the Middle East--particularly as I've already done 11 years there.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sheikh radlinrol wrote:
battleshipb_b wrote:
The cost of living all depends on what you earn.

Nonsense. The cost of living in KSA (or any other country) has NOTHING to do with your earnings. The poor Bangladeshi in the Kingdom pays the same price for his apples as the highly paid American engineer.


Wrong-o, buck-o! Everybody knows dat da Piliipinos gets eveything cheaper at the Pilipino souk in Jeddah!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear battleshipb_b,

Actually, the poor usually have to spend more:

"The concept that the �poor pay more" hit the consumer affairs literature by storm in 1967 with the book by Caplovitz, The Poor Pay More. There is no lack of evidence that the poor in inner-city areas pay more when it comes to food shopping. They often lack access to a convenient grocery store, as large chain supermarkets are disproportionately located outside of inner city areas (Chung & Myers, 1999; Cotterill & Franklin, 1995; Gotlieb & Fisher, 1996). Further, low income persons do not have the same choice of quality, price, and selection as found in suburban supermarkets, as they shop at higher-priced, independently owned convenient or �Mom and Pop� stores that are located in the inner city (MacDonald & Nelson, 1991). Reduced purchasing power does not allow for the nutritional needs of the poor to be adequately met without extra costs (Ashman et al., 1993)."

http://www.consumerinterests.org/files/public/poor.pdf

"It costs to be poor. When those "Check Cashing" and "Payday Loans" signs hit you in the eye as you drive down a neighborhood commercial street, you are in a poor area.

On some commercial streets, there are more of them than liquor stores and almost as many as churches. Their fees make them profitable so they are growing.

The "payday advance" industry which California legalized in 1997 is almost a license to print money. California has about 1,500 of those outlets now and they do about a million transactions a month.

Check-cashing outlets will cash a check (one they deem safe) for ten percent ($10.00 per $100.00) of the check with a minimum charge of $5.00. That's a hefty price.

For instance, a low wageworker with a $300 paycheck takes it to a check-cashing outlet to convert the check-in-hand to money-in-pocket. The worker walks in with a $300 check and walks out with $270 in cash.

That's a cost of about 75 cents per hour worked that week to cash the check. Most of you think that's a bad bargain and so does the worker.

However, he/she pays it because he doesn't have a bank account, so banks won't cash it. The same goes for stores in the area."

http://www.exodusnews.com/editorials/editorial-065.htm

Regards,
John
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