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Mekyn
Joined: 16 Jan 2009 Posts: 30 Location: Cuernavaca
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: looking for work in Spain |
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Hi I am just finishing up with my masters in TESOL and I am looking to work in Spain. I found a company advertising positions there but they want $25 to put out 200 resumes. They also charge a $40 lifetime membership fee. I have been in contact with them and they say that they should be able to place me in Spain. The company is called TEACHERMEXCONNECT. Does anyone know anything about them? Are they a legitiamate and reputable company? I appreciate any help. |
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jonniboy
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 751 Location: Panama City, Panama
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know about that company but there are several points that you should bear in mind.
1) In 99% of cases it is impossible for someone without EU citizenship to get a legal job in Spain.
2) In 99% of cases schools in Spain don't give jobs to someone unseen from abroad. There are ample teachers already available on the ground so why should they take a risk giving a job to someone who may not turn up?
3) There are numerous academies in every Spanish city so it's really not necessary to use a CV sending service.
4) The global recession has reduced the number of openings available as companies and government institutions cut back their training budgets.
5) Outside the big cities there will be very few hours available at the moment. September will be the next big hiring period. |
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Maria Kirby
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 56
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:07 am Post subject: |
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1) In 99% of cases it is impossible for someone without EU citizenship to get a legal job in Spain. |
You can if you get a student visa. Other than that, I agree with what jonniboy has said.
There's still demand for teachers in Spain despite the crisis. The worst sector affected is construction, not a sector that requires the majority of its workforce (laborers) to speak English. Other sectors have been hit but there's still quite a lot of work available if you've got a degree and a TEFL Cert. The schools I work for are now insisting that all teachers they hire are certified. If other schools are doing the same now, it effectively lowers chances for the untrained, backpacker teacher to get work. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Third jonniboy's input. Unless you're eligible for student visas, even your MA won't make you legal in Spain, or most of the 'old' EU member countries.
Further, he's correct that it's incredibly rare to actually land a job in Europe from abroad. You generally need to be here, on the ground, with local language skills and a local reputation, to land anything reputable. |
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sheikh radlinrol
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 1222 Location: Spain
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
Third jonniboy's input. Unless you're eligible for student visas, even your MA won't make you legal in Spain, or most of the 'old' EU member countries.
Further, he's correct that it's incredibly rare to actually land a job in Europe from abroad. You generally need to be here, on the ground, with local language skills and a local reputation, to land anything reputable. |
Spiral
I doubt that having a student visa entitles you to work here. One poster seems to think so. What do you think? |
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DMcK
Joined: 12 Jun 2008 Posts: 111 Location: Madrid
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not condoning illegal working but in my short time in Madrid I've met numerous workers that are not legally entitled to teach here but are able t make a good amount of money from some decent gigs. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:59 am Post subject: |
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I didn't want to argue with Maria, and I haven't done the check to find out if student visas actually allow one to work legally in Spain these days.
But, yes, I'm highly doubtful that this is the case.
As to those 'successful' illegal teachers, they're extremely likely to get caught by some border check these days and then it's 10 years out of the EU with the big red stamp in their passports.
It's just no longer the days of carefree illegal work in the EU. |
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Phil_b
Joined: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 239 Location: Back in London
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Make photocopies of the documents you present at the Consulate before applying. The Consulate does not return the original documents, nor makes photocopies of your documents. The Consular Administration has authority to evaluate and request additional documents�the submission of which does not guarantee the issuance of a visa�as well as to request a personal interview. On the visa, note the order of dates in Europe: day/month/year. As a general rule, a student visa does not allow the student to work. |
http://www.consulate-spain-chicago.com/ |
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DMcK
Joined: 12 Jun 2008 Posts: 111 Location: Madrid
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
I didn't want to argue with Maria, and I haven't done the check to find out if student visas actually allow one to work legally in Spain these days.
But, yes, I'm highly doubtful that this is the case.
As to those 'successful' illegal teachers, they're extremely likely to get caught by some border check these days and then it's 10 years out of the EU with the big red stamp in their passports.
It's just no longer the days of carefree illegal work in the EU. |
As I say, I don't condone illegal working so I'm not looking to get into an argument about this but, from what I can see, it doesn't seem to make too much difference and I disagree they are extremely likely to be caught by border control. I've met teachers who have already been teaching for a few years in Spain without the required status; they haven't encountered any problems and I know at least one of them that works with a pretty well known company. |
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Maria Kirby
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 56
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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RD 2393/2004
1-Trabajo de Estudiantes e Investigadores.
Requisitos:
Los extranjeros que dispongan del correspondiente visado de estudios podr�n ser autorizados a realizar actividades lucrativas laborales, en instituciones p�blicas o entidades privadas, cuando el empleador como sujeto legitimado presente la solicitud de autorizaci�n de trabajo.
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Law 2393/2004
Work for students and investigators
Requirements
Foreigners with a study visa (student visa) can get authorized to perform paid work in public and private institutions when the employer presents an authorization to work.
Bit of a crappy translation I know, but this is what happened to me. My employer filed something that gave me the right to work legally using my student visa.
Spiral78, you can be has highly doubtful as you like but the reality is that you can work in Spain on a student visa. I am living proof. I've got a couple of friends that are also living proof. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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Maria, I said that I had not done recent research on the topic.
Just to clarify the risks of being caught, unless you're really unlucky and in the wrong place at the wrong time, it's not likely IN Spain. It's when you cross borders...inside Schengen zone, it's no longer necessary to check, but it is always a possibility.
I think the risks these days are quite high, especially at airports. Questions are increasingly asked. |
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jonniboy
Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 751 Location: Panama City, Panama
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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Maria Kirby wrote: |
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RD 2393/2004
Requisitos:
cuando el empleador como sujeto legitimado presente la solicitud de autorizaci�n de trabajo.
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The key part which basically says that the employer has to request authorisation which as far as I'm aware is a time consuming process. In most cases employers can't be bothered as they can already employ someone with an EU passport without the hassle. This route also requires a student visa which in turn requires financial outlay so this will fall under the 1% of exceptions to the rule I gave above. |
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Mekyn
Joined: 16 Jan 2009 Posts: 30 Location: Cuernavaca
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the useful information So I probably will not be coming to Spain right away because I definitely am not interested in working illegally and I have no need to go to school there. I am thinking about going to Mexico for awhile
I have a few more questions:
Are there any opportunities to volunteer in ESL there during the summer months?
I have seen advertisements to get your TEFL certificate in Spain and they say they place you in a job afterwards. Can they do this because you are there on a student visa?
I had one more question but I forgot what it was. Oh well, I'll check back later. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:30 am Post subject: |
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The 'placement' programs put you in touch with school directors in places where you can work legally. They dont' get you in to a country where you can't get a work permit. |
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