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Never Ceased To Be Amazed · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: President Obama

I NCTBA at the American electorate! I NEVER thought my country great enough in MY lifetime to elect an African-American president! God Bless America! We've no direction to go but up from this moment on...internationally speaking... Very Happy

NCTBA

Arab Strap · Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 246 Location: under your bed

You really think so?

Well I hope you're right and not just speaking through and/or from the rings beyond Uranus

007 · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:27 pm Post subject:

Well, Uncle Obama once said, "There's only one president who can speak for America at a time. And that president now is George Bush".

I say to Uncle Obama, there is only one president who can speak for America. And that president now is Barack Obama.

I think history will repeat itself with Uncle Obama!

Never Ceased To Be Amazed · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject:

Politicians are just that...politicians. Let's hope that this is a renewed Camelot. I believe that it is so and that it will be, but yes, secret agent man, only time will tell. But don't you agree, that we should rejoice on the possibilities?

NCTBA

Mia Xanthi · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject:

I, for one, have chosen to rejoice in the possibilities, NCTBA. There is precious little else to feel optimistic about in the current situation, so let's enjoy this while we can.

trapezius · Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject:

Half African-American.

If here fully African-American, I have a feeling he wouldn't have won. Heck, he wouldn't have won the primaries.

I think it will take a few more decades before a fully black man would be elected POTUS.

But yes, I agree, it is a great day. Let's just hope that it is not just a shell of frosting, but that there is a lot of nice cake inside. Very Happy

Sheikh N Bake · Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1307 Location: Dis ting of ours

Oh, come on. If Colin Powell, who is fully African at least from his parents, had run and been elected, you'd say he wouldn't have been elected if his skin had been a little darker.

2012 · Joined: 12 Jan 2009 Posts: 24 Location: Shandong

Listen to the WHO...

"We won't get fooled again..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM0WIP7eMYs&feature=related

(Lyrics at BOTTOM)

Obama's post-election emphasis upon a "seamless transition"
is somewhat at odds with his campaign rhetoric about...
...CHANGE...

In the spirit of pardon/immunitygranted by Ford to Nixon,
Obama says "hands off" to charges of Torture/War Crimes etc.
against Bush team.

Obama's appointments...Conservative/Corporate-friendly...a
re in the spirit of the "seamless transition..." from the Bush Team
Old Boss..New Boss

The folks at www.wsws.org have optimism for the coming Obama years ...but from a different perspective. They expect that as US laubaixin see that the Hopes and Changes promised by Obama...are not real-ized, then...there'll be social struggle.

We'll see.

Whatever happens, it'll be a valuable lesson for China's policy makers.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jan2009/pers-j21.shtml

redeyes · Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 254

There's a gang of white hooligan thugs racketeers and extortionists in the area -- Cynical old amoral hacks, they've run every scam and trick into the ground, and, after all, everything is sleight of hand and appearance when they are working out new ways to sell scams to people. They notice there's a smart black guy on the block, new to the scammers game, but hey, he looks smart enough. But these old hoods, some of whom have their roots in prejudice and racism think twice -- he's a black guy after all, but hey, they relent in the end. They think "Oh, let the black guy play our scam huckster games, why not? It's a new circus , we can dress up old tricks in a new guise after all, and get people to believe in the tawdry old show, all over again. Damn, I see some people are even bleary eyed and crying about the whole thing! "

And all the burlesque bling hip hop and carnival showmen and TV media black men and women came out to celebrate a black man in the white house, wiping away a tear and raising a black power clenched fist -- Why? Because -- Hey , a black brother gets to play the hoodlum bully boy gangster amoral thug, just like the white man!

That's progress!

That's progress -- let's dance and sing in the streets,and shed a tear, like it's a new dawn -- a righteous black man gets to have a go at the master's bully boy game too!

Hallelujah!

007 · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:23 am Post subject:

I wonder if Obama will grant Bush the immunity for violating War Crimes Act?

Never Ceased To Be Amazed · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject:

I gotta admit, a lotta cynacism out there! I'm imagining that a lot of the cynics were too young or too uninvolved in politics to remember when US politics actually did work. After the past eight years, the shenanigans of Clinton in the Oval office, "Bush 41's" willingness to go back on his "No New Taxes" promise, Reagan's "trickle-down economy" (trickle-down upon whom, one may have had to ask), Carter's "Days of Malaise", etc, etc.

Hope would be nice, donch think rather than dismiss the guy out of hand? Criticism will come in due time. At least, this guy has a model to start against.

Those who have an axe to grind against American won't give the guy a chance, those who don't, hopefully, will.

NCTBA

Cleopatra · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject:

I'd like to think that Obama offers change we can believe in, but cynics like me recall that old saw: "If voting changed anything, they'd ban it."

johnslat · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject:

Ah, the temptations of cynicism - the main one, perhaps, being to show how vastly experienced and worldly-wise you are.
And, let's face it - given the way the world is, the way human nature is, the way politicians, especially, have pulled (or tired to pull) the wool over our eyes since politics first came into being, who can blame anyone for being cynical?
Those great philosophers - The Who - put it well:

"Ill tip my hat to the new constitution
Ill tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Just like yesterday
Then Ill get on my knees and pray
Then Ill get on my knees and pray
We dont get fooled again
We dont get fooled again
The change, it had to come
The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, thats all
We were liberated from the fold, thats all
And the world looks just the same
And the world looks just the same
And history aint changed
And history aint changed
cause the banners, they are flown in the next war
cause the banners, they are flown in the next war
Meet the new boss
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
Same as the old boss"

But cynicism, like atheism, requires to much certainty for me. In matters of faith, I prefer the middle ground: agnosticism, And in more worldly matters, rather than the extremes of cynicism and naivete, I feel most comfortable with skepticism. So, I'll wait and see whether or not the "new boss" is truly the same as the "old boss."
Regards,
John

Cleopatra · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject:

johnslat · Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject:

Dear Cleopatra,

I am actually envious of your certainty.

Regards,
John