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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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changshaman,
It seems you're giving more info to me than I am to you 
The highest offer I've seen was 350K gross (as it turned out I couldn't accept that, sadly). So it's interesting to see that at least some of the kosher international schools (the ones with foreign kids) can offer well above this in some cases, according to the scale you give (the top of that scale is around the 7K USD figure I was discussing above).
I am surprised it goes quite that high. Personally I'll never be working in the international schools like that just because I prefer teaching age 16 and above. But thanks for the education! |
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changshaman
Joined: 30 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| waxwing wrote: |
changshaman,
It seems you're giving more info to me than I am to you |
Why don't you send me a message with some contact info and let's see what each other knows.
I would also like to contact Cohen about Hong Kong stuff.
At least on paper I am qualified for quite a bit, in person not too bad either.
I really would like to hear from others who have the paperwork and experience to do better than what was said before as bog standard.
Lhenderson
Either my pm is not working or you can not back up your claim about being in that great HIRING position. Why don't you get back with me and show me what you have to offer. |
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IT2006
Joined: 17 Jan 2009
Posts: 91
Location: Wichita, KS, and westward.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Pelican_Wrath wrote: |
For the last time, we are not talking about jobs in Chinese schools!
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Then why are you talking about it on the Chinese boards? Go where somebody might understand--- and possibly tolerate---you. |
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Pelican_Wrath
Joined: 19 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| IT2006 wrote: |
| Pelican_Wrath wrote: |
For the last time, we are not talking about jobs in Chinese schools!
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Then why are you talking about it on the Chinese boards? Go where somebody might understand--- and possibly tolerate---you. |
Because the jobs in question are in China. Just not in Chinese schools.
Besides, the OP was asking about this kind of position (i.e. for qualified teachers) |
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Itsme
Joined: 11 Aug 2004
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Location: Houston, TX
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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There is a lot of discussion here about big-time salaries. But I think that such discussion is a little off the subject and unrealistic. I just wanted to know a fair and realistic salary for a Science Teacher in Beijing. I don't want to "lose face" by asking for an unreasonable amount. Let's keep it real!
I found this quote on another website:
There is a lot written about salaries, most of it ill-informed. There are also a lot false and misleading statements made in some Internet advertising. The truth of the matter is salaries in China are not comparable with Western salaries, but certainly allow you to live in reasonable comfort. The minimum salary payable to a foreign expert is 2,200 RMB per month, however, in reality very few teachers are paid a salary of less than 3,000 RMB. Higher salaries usually mean longer working hours, lower standard of accommodation or loss of some benefits.
http://www.china-tesol.com/Salary_Range_for_foreign_teach/salary_range_for_foreign_teach.html |
Is this not common sense?
I think China does a very good job in allowing teachers to have the same level/comfort of living as someone in the US who is making $70,000 per year. I don't think anyone would expect them to offer teachers the same salary that they would be making at home... but then again it is the teachers that determine the salaries in the first place.
If we did not supply our labor at such low prices then the wage would increase or the Chinese would find another way to learn English. It's as simple as that.
10,000 is a pretty good salary in China and anyone who tells you to go out there and demand 50,000 is probably laughing at the thought of someone actually doing that. |
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IT2006
Joined: 17 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Itsme wrote: |
10,000 is a pretty good salary in China and anyone who tells you to go out there and demand 50,000 is probably laughing at the thought of someone actually doing that. |
I SECOND THAT!
I'll get RMB10,000 when I arrive this time. In '03, I was making about RMB6,500 and I was living well. Paid and furnished apt w/utilities and I had more money than I could spend, though not more than I could send back home.
This was at a public university.
At RMB10,000 per month this time around, I expect to maintain about the same standard of living because of inflation and other factors. The RMB 10,000 didn't come easily, though. It required lengthy, careful searches and applications accompanied by letters of recommendation on bonafide American university stationary.
It was a bit irritating when someone would get past the discerning eyes and get hired on an 8"x10" postcard-sized degree from Belford University. |
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Pelican_Wrath
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Itsme wrote: |
10,000 is a pretty good salary in China and anyone who tells you to go out there and demand 50,000 is probably laughing at the thought of someone actually doing that. |
Christ on a flunking skateboard! Nobody is suggesting that a normal Chinese school should pay 50,000 a month!
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Itsme
Joined: 11 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| IT2006 wrote: |
| Itsme wrote: |
10,000 is a pretty good salary in China and anyone who tells you to go out there and demand 50,000 is probably laughing at the thought of someone actually doing that. |
I SECOND THAT!
I'll get RMB10,000 when I arrive this time. In '03, I was making about RMB6,500 and I was living well. Paid and furnished apt w/utilities and I had more money than I could spend, though not more than I could send back home.
This was at a public university.
At RMB10,000 per month this time around, I expect to maintain about the same standard of living because of inflation and other factors. The RMB 10,000 didn't come easily, though. It required lengthy, careful searches and applications accompanied by letters of recommendation on bonafide American university stationary.
It was a bit irritating when someone would get past the discerning eyes and get hired on an 8"x10" postcard-sized degree from Belford University. |
nice.. But has it actually been verified that 6500 in 03 is equal to 10,000 now? Wow I would love to know..
The new Big Mac index puts a chinese big mac at $1.83.
Tried looking for some good statistics but forgot all the good sites. All I found was this:
http://investintaiwan.nat.gov.tw/en/env/stats/cpi.html
Consumer price index "A consumer price index (CPI) is a measure of the average price of consumer goods and services purchased by households"
2003: -.28%
2004: 1.61%
2005: 2.31%
2006: 0.60%
2007: 1.80%
So I'm guessing that 10,000 is still a great improvement over 6,000 even if that is what you were making in 03 |
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Pelican_Wrath
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You say you can 'live well' in China on 10,000 a month. This is true if you stick to your local area, never eat western food, and so on.
However, if you want to use some of the lengthy school holidays for some foreign trips, if you want to drive a car, if you want to regularly do your shopping at Metro, and so on, a much higher salary becomes necessary.
That's why the International Schools will pay so much more; they want to attract people because they're good teachers, not because they had some burning desire to go and hang out in China drinking cheap beer and eating meat on a stick. |
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Sugar Magnolia
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I disagree with Pelican Wrath. In my 1st university job, I made about 6,0000 a month with an apartment on campus. I NEVER ate meat on a stick or a bowl of noodles.
In my current university position, I have about 10k left over after paying for my apartment, utilities and travel expenses. I still have never eaten meat on a stick or a bowl of noodles.
I usually get about 1k a month in groceries delivered from City Shop in Shanghai and call Mealbay on average once a week. If I didn't enjoy beer and cigarettes, I would have been able to enjoy my numerous vacations a bit better. Over the past 4.5 years I have taken a Yangtze River cruise, been to Suzhou, Hangzhou, Haikou, Hong Kong, Qingdao, Macau and Sanya, among other places.
Albeit, I don't own a home or car, nor do I have much money saved. But, I'm enjoying my time here.
I wonder what ever happened to Jammish? He seemed cool, but the proper PGCE Pelican has lost touch with the people. |
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Pelican_Wrath
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| Sugar Magnolia wrote: |
I wonder what ever happened to Jammish? He seemed cool, but the proper PGCE Pelican has lost touch with the people. |
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Pelican_Wrath
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| To be fair, in some ways I did live really well in China on an ESLers salary, and saved money. But we didn't even leave China to go to neighbouring countries! |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| changshaman wrote: |
| waxwing wrote: |
changshaman,
It seems you're giving more info to me than I am to you |
Why don't you send me a message with some contact info and let's see what each other knows.
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Will do. (email). But bear in mind I teach A-levels, British curriculum, 16-18 age range. The set of schools we're interested won't, largely, intersect. |
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IT2006
Joined: 17 Jan 2009
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Location: Wichita, KS, and westward.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Itsme wrote: |
nice.. But has it actually been verified that 6500 in 03 is equal to 10,000 now? Wow I would love to know..
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I am not suggesting this at all. What it tells ME is that this time around, I was more careful in my application, and I marketed myself a lot better. What it suggests is that my degree has appreciated in value as i gain more experiences in more areas. |
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IT2006
Joined: 17 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Pelican_Wrath wrote: |
Christ on a fucking skateboard! Nobody is suggesting that a normal Chinese school should pay 50,000 a month! |
I thought that everyone on this forum was an adult. I can't tolerate this language.
Will someone please report this, ahem, person to the moderators? |
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