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rafomania



Joined: 25 Mar 2005
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Location: Guadalajara

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Property trends in Mexico Reply with quote

Hi, ill try again.
Im interested in getting some data for property price trends. By what percentage are houses and flats increasing or decreasing. Maybe you know of a website with this info cos I cant find anything. Ive got a feeling that this type of data might not get recorded officially.
btw Im interested in Guadalajara.

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thelmadatter



Joined: 31 Mar 2003
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Location: in el Distrito Federal x fin!

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: info Reply with quote

I have always found it difficult to impossible to find the kind of statistics and information you are looking for. It doesnt seem to be as ingrained in this culture to compile such things.

You can try INEGI's website (the census people) but dont be surprised if you dont find what you are looking for.

If you are in Guadalajara, make visits to developers and real estate people to get a sense of what the markets are. In other words...lots of legwork, esp. if you are looking for lower-priced properties. That is how I found my apt. Check newspapers (is there a Segundo Mano for GDL?) as well. Check Craigslist for GDL too. Craigslist is much smaller in Mexico than in the US but it is growing rapidly.

There have been books publish in the States about buying property "south of the border" but they mostly target those buying very upscale realty.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prices are definitely not decreasing in our area. I suspect it's the same throughout Mexico, but by what percentage it's been increasing would be difficult to pinpoint and would vary quite a bit with private sale, realtor sale, location, condition, etc. I agree that the realtors would probably be the best source for what the trend has been. Find one that has been around awhile and has a good reputation.
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TheLongWayHome



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Location: San Luis Piojosi

PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:
Prices are definitely not decreasing in our area. I suspect it's the same throughout Mexico, but by what percentage it's been increasing would be difficult to pinpoint and would vary quite a bit with private sale, realtor sale, location, condition, etc.

Prices are certainly on the increase in SLP. The Chapultepec area has seen enormous growth. People who bought plots of land for peanuts there a mere 5 or so years ago are rolling in it now. I would search out those kind of areas and see what the prospects are. It seems there's a trend towards building fraccionamientos and privadas which are quickly bought up and rented out.
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thelmadatter



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: land speculation Reply with quote

If I had the money right now, I would buy land between Mexico City and Toluca west and possibly east of the city into Chalco. I prefer the west because of the explosive growth of Mexico City and regular-Jose workers there needing more affordable housing than can be had anywhere near there. Commuting by car into Santa Fe is not too bad via the Toluca-Mexico City highway and the eastern edge of Toluca is growing towards da Big Ciudad. I like Ocoyoacac, lots of buses between there and Mexico City as well.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like Metepec fits your bill. There is a lot of development there with people thinking exactly as you do...commute into Santa Fe to work. Much easier than living in east Mexico City or Satelite for example, and commuting.

I suspect we'll see a slow down on the rise of home prices. The economic slump is taking it's toll here too. There is an ongoing construction boom in Mexico City, but I have to imagine a lot of funding has dried up over the last few months. I'm looking at buying a home right now as a mater of fact. I'll be happy to report back on the experience...
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justaprofessional



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting times.
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fladude



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be pretty leery of buying real estate south of the border at the moment....

With Florida condo's going for less than condo's in Panama or Nicaragua at the moment... (and we aren't at the bottom yet) it's hard to imagine that there won't be a "correction" everywhere else. A lot of the coastal development, especially, was supposedly targeting retirees. Its hard to imagine that people who never left their home country are going to retire somewhere else where prices are higher and where they don't speak English. I'm anticipating total crash in most of the developing coastal condo's throughout Central America (and Colombia if Charlie doesn't hold up the prices).
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always good to be wary, but it's helpful to remember that the vast majority of 'south of the border' is not coastal but made up of metropolae, small towns, and farmland.

A total crash here would only follow a total crash in the US and Europe...a very worst-case scenario that is highly unlikely in my opinion.
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fladude



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Always good to be wary, but it's helpful to remember that the vast majority of 'south of the border' is not coastal but made up of metropolae, small towns, and farmland.

A total crash here would only follow a total crash in the US and Europe...a very worst-case scenario that is highly unlikely in my opinion.


We will see..... I still think though that having hundreds of thousands of empty condos on the coast is going to have a mental reaction if nothing else. I understand this won't affect farmers or farmland obviously, but people who aren't tied to the land could always move to a cheap condo (farmers will probably be doing fine selling food anyway). And it's possible that as Latin America develops that it will follow the trend of the US and Europe which is population movement towards the coasts.

Time will tell. I think the housing bubble will wind up affecting everyone though.
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rafomania



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the best is to visit realtors and get their views then. Thanks though everyone
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fladude wrote:
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Its hard to imagine that people who never left their home country are going to retire somewhere else where prices are higher and where they don't speak English. I'm anticipating total crash in most of the developing coastal condo's


Just a small comment, from someone living long-term in a coastal area. There are as many, or more, wealthy Mexicans who buy vacation homes here at the beach as there are foreigners. They come during Christmas, Semana Santa, summer holidays, etc. Many of the foreign retirees coming to this area are seasonal renters ("snowbirds") because they don't like the summer weather. Mexicans come to the beach year around.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fladude wrote:

And it's possible that as Latin America develops that it will follow the trend of the US and Europe which is population movement towards the coasts.


What and risk the rising sea levels? No thanks, I'll stick to the mountains. I'm looking forward to the beach being about 4 hours closer though. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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thelmadatter



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:01 pm    Post subject: metepec Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Sounds like Metepec fits your bill. There is a lot of development there with people thinking exactly as you do...commute into Santa Fe to work. ...


Metepec's time was 20/25 years ago. Lots of vacant homes there now as it got overbuilt and is now the most expensive area to live in Toluca.

I was thinking more along the lines of land speculation. For that you need to go where there are still farms but easy access to the highway
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much land, especially farm land, in Mexico is classified as "ejido". It's really important to have a competent notario when contemplating a land purchase. He will be able to tell you if it is classified ejido or if it has been through the lengthy process to make it legally marketable. Unsuspecting foreign buyers are regularly relieved of their money when buying privately and not understanding what ejido land is, or that they may never be able to get title to the property. This article below outlines the steps required.

http://www.davidspencerlaw.com/purchasing-ejido-land.html
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