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johnslat · Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject:

Dear word_to_the_wise,

"Some staff need to be controlled, otherwise they do as they please."

I agree completely - if, that is, by "staff" you are also including management.

Regards,
John

P.S. I was a manager for five years.

word_to_the_wise · Joined: 28 May 2007 Posts: 67 Location: Riyadh

Absolutely!!

Management are subject to controls and are accountable for their actions.

Why shouldn't they be?

johnslat · Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject:

Dear word_to+the_wise,

"Management are subject to controls and are accountable for their actions.

Why shouldn't they be?"

No reason whatsoever - I posted only because I mistakenly thought your comments were directed just at teachers.
One other thought - the word "manipulation" has mostly bad connotations, but let's face it: that's a big part of what managers have to do. I'd say that the key is not whether you "manipulate" staff (if you're a manager, you're going to, like it or not), but how you do it. If you try to be as open and fair as possible, if you invite staff participation and feedback, if you explain rather than dictate, then I believe you're much more likely to get more cooperation, more contentment and a lot better results.

Regards,
John

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

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Never Ceased To Be Amazed · Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:15 am Post subject:

wilberforce · Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 647

Let's keep the personal stuff out you guys.

Never Ceased To Be Amazed · Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:53 am Post subject:

wilberforce · Joined: 27 Dec 2008 Posts: 647

Sorry NCTB - you weren't under attack - nothing personal.

mesquite · Joined: 04 Jan 2009 Posts: 80

This country and its schools and universities (fully sanctioned by policies in the SEC, QF, QU, QP, etc.) brings out crudeness, ambition and viciousness in many of the ex-pats who work there. This is particularly true of directors both in the business sector and in schools and colleges. They are too busy gratifying their base instincts and desires to really care about the students or their staff and teachers. They should give psychological tests to people who run departments to determine if they are normal!

A Bullying manager/director/head/administrator is the lowest of the low. These people need to think they are important so they bully others in all sorts of nasty ways. They need their heads examined. They aren't worth my little finger! At least I have integrity and never ratted on or screwed a colleague.
The last boss revels in squashing people like cockroaches. One day he'll get splattered.

redsoxman · Joined: 30 Apr 2007 Posts: 51

Bullies are sick people who need to control in order to make themselves feel real. Bullying is really about weak, manipulative individuals who need to bully in order to feel powerful. They need help. Strange how so many bullies manage to bully their way to management positions. It just shows that so many places don't have standards. Bullies are often the wrong people in the right place at the right time. Circumstances. They should be made to take a personality evaluation before being appointed.

lollaerd · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 337

Bullying is one of the worst traits a teacher can have. Teacher bullies were probably bullies at school or bullied themselves and need to prove something to someone (themselves) probably.

lollaerd · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 337

jdl · Joined: 06 Apr 2005 Posts: 632 Location: cyberspace

mmmmm........bullying is bad.......bullies should be bullied into not bullying......that way they will learn........?????how to be more effective bullies?

It is interesting that what we see as a punishable offence in others we see as justifiable in our selves. We tend to be so egocentric in our thinking and bebaviour that our perception becomes everyone else's reality.....in our minds. We truly do live in our own little worlds, perhaps explaining why so many of us can't live at home anymore? We are left to rant in some corner of the world or other about the injustice of it all, why the world can not hear and heed our ramblings and why we are so isolated from our happiness.

How about we try 'hug a bully'; afterall, tis love we all need.

lollaerd · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 337

Hug a bully? He may stab you. Teachers who bully their students and/or staff/colleagues should not be in education. Point blank. A teacher who bullies his class or anyone else is not the right role model for students to see. My role model is Mr. Chips. Believe in your friends, your colleagues, your staff and students and they will work hard for you. Bully them and they end up hating your guts!

washingtonpost · Joined: 28 Nov 2009 Posts: 61

Bullies make great dictators. Remember what Adolf used to say

"The world wants to be deceived, therefore let it be decieved." He got away with his bullying but eventually it caught up with him. Adolf was bullied at school. Look how he turned out!

Too many kids today are victims of bullying - in class, on the street, at home - these kids end up terrorizing others in order to make themselves feel big. In reality they are just dirty old cockroaches who live in scum and become scum themselves. To me bullies are just pokeweed.

I used to work for a pokeweed type. Have you ever smelled pokeweed? It stinks to high heaven. Real bad smell!!! Pokeweed is as common as much and grows in bogs; so do bullies, bogs are their natural environments. Pokeweed is toxic and so are bullies. Pokeweed can cause nausea and headaches. So can bullies. In short, all bullies are nothing but pokeweed. So bring on the weed killer and spray it in the bully's face. See how he likes a taste of his own poison.

There is no place in education for bullies and especially at the top and in the classroom. When they got rid of the pokeweed at my university, the staff cheered and had a good riddance bully toast.