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Great vs. Most challenging aspect of living in japan
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluffyhamster wrote:
I'm from the UK, hence my finding Japan comparatively cheaper (or certainly, not much more expensive) in many respects!


Too bad the Pound isn't 200 yen anymore. My Euro friends went to town with that at college.

OOC what's the price of noraml cigs 20 pack, and canned beer?
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't bought cigarettes for ages, but I guess the average packet of 20 is still nearer 300 than 400 yen. As for beer or beer-like drinkies, depends on what you want, but around 200 yen per can should buy you something reasonably decent.
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elkarlo



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluffyhamster wrote:
I haven't bought cigarettes for ages, but I guess the average packet of 20 is still nearer 300 than 400 yen. As for beer or beer-like drinkies, depends on what you want, but around 200 yen per can should buy you something reasonably decent.


Oh I knew Japanese prices, I meant your crazy Brit prices.
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll know how much the crazy Brit prices are once I've sold the other kidney and raised enough money to again fill a shopping basket.

But seriously, quality cigars are at least twice as much in the UK compared to Japan, and cigarettes seem to be around three times as much. Booze seems to range from similar prices to almost twice as much, depending on what you buy.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I already gave crazy Brit ones... apparently I got in a couple of secs before you so you have to go back to page 2.

But 300-400 is still crazy cheap despite the fall in sterling value.
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flyer



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why waste money on cigs?
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anne_o



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is from the link elkarlo posted about young, post-bubble, japanese men:

"They aren't obsessed about being manly and accept sexual equality as something natural

part of the reason i like japanese men!!! and believe me, when they need to be manly, they CAN!
Wink
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fluffyhamster



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyer wrote:
why waste money on cigs?


Indeed. Find the best value vendor around and thus save a bit.

Laughing
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fluffyhamster wrote:
I'll know how much the crazy Brit prices are once I've sold the other kidney and raised enough money to again fill a shopping basket.

But seriously, quality cigars are at least twice as much in the UK compared to Japan, and cigarettes seem to be around three times as much. Booze seems to range from similar prices to almost twice as much, depending on what you buy.


My dear mum bought me bottles of Asti Martini and Lambrini on my birthday last July... They are now paying rent for the fridge space they have occupied ever since. So alcohol is not really my vice.

I decided to keep my liver healthy incase I needed to sell it to feed my strange smoking habits. But maybe I'll use the money for a new laptop or something instead... sighs

Do prices vary between vending machines and shops? When vending machines used to exist here, they were mostly in clubs and normally a ripoff.
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surprised to see beer is considered cheaper in Japan than the UK. A pint of most beers in Dubliners is about 900 yen, which even at normal exchange rates is more than any pub in London that I have been to. I know there are cheaper places to drink, but if you factor in the 30% or so head that a Japanese barman fobs you off with, I think it's hard to make a case that Japan is better value. Nomihoudai places apart, of course.
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waterboy



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Living in Hokkaido, I love the nature and 50km speed limits which make for great cycling all year round.

In addition, I find that being part of a small group of native English speakers means you get to know people that you probably usually wouldn't. That's generally cool.

Things that are challenging include finding an appropriate response to 'wow, you are so good at using chopsticks'. Any suggestions?

And a niggling feeling that as much as I love being here, there are those little reminders that I am still a foreigner (gaijin card, fingerprints etc).
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

waterboy wrote:
Living in Hokkaido, I love the nature and 50km speed limits which make for great cycling all year round.

In addition, I find that being part of a small group of native English speakers means you get to know people that you probably usually wouldn't. That's generally cool.

Things that are challenging include finding an appropriate response to 'wow, you are so good at using chopsticks'. Any suggestions?

And a niggling feeling that as much as I love being here, there are those little reminders that I am still a foreigner (gaijin card, fingerprints etc).


Welcome to the forum.

If the chopsticks comment bothers you, a disdainful look is probably best. Some people recommend sarcasm, but it will likely pass over the Japanese person's head.

Funny you mention the fingerprints. I seem to be the only person not bothered by it. I wish the British government would do it, instead of throwing as many benefits as possible at the extended family of every asylum seeker who turns up from the hellish persecution of France.
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Ryu Hayabusa



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Things that are challenging include finding an appropriate response to 'wow, you are so good at using chopsticks'. Any suggestions?


Here in Kansai I always say, "ぼちぼちでんな!�、(Bochi bochi denna!)

Bochi bochi means something like "so-so" or "slowly improving." In this context the implications can be, "Yes, I can speak Japanese/use chopsticks. I've been here so long, I've even picked up some local dialect!"

It can also be used as a non-sarcastic, humble response when someone asks, "Can you speak Japanese?" or when someone compliments you on your Japanese. It depends. It's quite versatile. If you've been here for many years and you speak Japanese well, it will be sure to make the other person feel silly for asking such questions like, "Can you use chopsticks/Can you speak Japanese?"

Are there any phrases like this in other parts of Japan? ...There must be.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this talk of money reminded me of something else I liked about Japan. Despite the stereotype, I generally found the cost of living to range from "normal" to a bit cheaper. Granted, I was living in NYC before moving to rural Japan. Even rent was much more affordable on an eikaiwa salary.
Yes, the "hashi jouzu" comment can be irritating to long-term expats. Say "arigatou" and laugh it off. If it really burns your butt, see if you find the opportunity to complement One Of Them on their skills with a fork. "Fouku jouzu desu ne!" 99% of them won't get it, but you can have a private chuckle.
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flyer



Joined: 16 May 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

waterboy wrote:
Living in Hokkaido, I love the nature and 50km speed limits which make for great cycling all year round.


... did I read that right?

I am also in Hokkaido and I don't know where you are but you can NOT cycle all year round,

..... unless you are inside some kind of building?

too much snow and ice for that! believe me, I have tried!

but I do love Hokkaido!
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