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Itsme



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Katja84 wrote:
Even though I doubt the Holocaust would be a taboo subject, I don't know why you want to teach it? The students are likely to have, at most, heard of it - if you aim to teach them English, is the best strategy really to do so by discussing or asking them to write about a subject that they would find it difficult to write about in Chinese? It's probably better to go over more familiar ground so that they can actually relate to what they are meant to write about.

"I realize that the Holocaust is something everyone should know about". No offence, but there is something slightly Eurocentric about the idea that an English teacher should go to China to teach about the holocaust... Let alone assume that they should have read Anne Frank's diary. How many European/American students do you know that have read any of China's must-read books? And I can't say I'm too impressed with how much university students in the West know about, say, Pol Pot's genocide (1/4 as many killed as in the Holocaust) or China's own turbulent 20th century history (where 4-20 times as many people were killed as in the Holocaust if you trust the usual range of figures, 20-70 million). I'm not trying to say that they are equivalent, but it bears to be kept in mind that not all parts of the world measure every act of evil to the Holocaust as we do in the West. There are other atrocities that they learn about that Western students will pay scant attention to.


Couldn't put it better if I tried..
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think back to your university writing classes. Why not teach them analytical writing skills? It would help increase vocabulary and understanding of assigned literature readings.
Non-fiction writing is also something to consider. If they are competent writers, they could workshop in groups.
Just some ideas ....... Wish you the best whatever you decide!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I showed my students the film "Nanking" and then told them that when I visited the Museum to the Massacre, I felt a great weight over my shoulders as I entered the grounds.

I got a number of emails thanking me for it. But, like so many others have said, I don't know what it has to do with writing unless maybe you show the flick and then have them write their impressions.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see nothing wrong with telling them about Anne FRank. It is an example of a famous journal. Trouble is that they will think all journals need to express the bad things happening to someone. Most students in China know about the second world war. You won't have much success with the journal writing. They won't do it unless you give them a mark and then you will have to look at hundreds of journals that are all the same. They will simply copy each others journals.
A better idea is to have them keep a record of new words. Tell them how many words they need to pass their IELTS test or TOEFL. If they know 2000 words they are able to live in an English speaking country, if they know 16,000 words they can pass the TOEFL. It is also a good way for them to feel good about themselves when they are discouraged. When they feel they havn't learned anything they open the book and see how many words they learned last year.
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bearcanada



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really have to agree with Katya84. What kind of personal agenda do you have, and what the hell are you thinking that you should educate Chinese about topics like that? What do you mean, it's something everyone should know about? Should everyone also know about the massacres in Palestine? Maybe teach them that, instead. I think you're way off base.
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taramisu



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive me, but 'way off base' seems a little harsh. My intention is not to divulge an entire unit about the Holocaust, as I feel such a tragic event deserves more than just a couple of weeks. Maybe I was not descript enough, and I'm sorry, but my main reason for approaching this subject to begin with is the importance of diaries. The Diary of Anne Frank is, as one poster mentioned, an example of a famous journal. "Why teach that in an English class" you ask? Then why teach it in any class? Who cares what language it was written in? I don't think there's anything eurocentric about wanting to teach something that has the potential for positive impact.

There are plenty of things I did not learn about Chinese history, but I also did not study Chinese either. These students are not only studying the English language but also learning about the culture and change that comes along with it. What the hell AM I thinking, teaching Chinese students about a girl they may possibly relate to? Tragedy is tragedy, no matter how many people suffer, and never once would I even claim this event has more or less importance than any other country's historical atrocities.

I approach teaching negative subjects overall as taboo for myself, I'm still in the development process of learning who I am as a teacher. I know a lesson like this would be taking a huge step. I want to be able to introduce Anne Frank so my students can understand the gravity of the situation and to recognize the importance of her contribution, without overwhelming everyone, including myself. Sure, there's a huge possibility they won't understand its intensity without showing a movie like Schindler's List or the Pianist, but this story is about a young girl facing a lot of changes, something my 160 or so students can reflect in their own lives.

Why shouldn't they know about it? If they haven't, here's a perfect opportunity. Anyone studying Chinese deserves to know its history, just like my students would benefit from learning about Anne Frank. Maybe I answered my own question in the long run as I'm going to teach it anyway, small excerpts at a time (since that's all I have time for). Maybe I'll inspire them to do something that is crucial for anyone who has a connection with pen and paper.

And, please tell me the difference between a real teacher and a fake one. If my job isn't real then neither are my students; if that's the case then I must say their act is very deceptive.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tarimisu I agree 100% with you but I think what has happened to me and some of the other posters as caused us to become callous. I lived in Montreal and went to McGill. Every year I was forced to look at photos of the hollocaust, if I didn't look at them I was branded an anti semintic. I see German youths who tell me the same story about how
they too must feel remorse for this horrible time in history.
Do your thing and don't worry about it. No matter what you do in China you will be criticized. As the Chinese say, the view is better from the mountain top. Diaries are good but don't be discouraged when you read them and they are all the same.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to teach Jewish history or Middle Eastern history, then go ahead. But stop telling us (and yourself, and your students) that this is "English History". It isn't. And the world is full of great tragedies, of which this is only one. The current war in Iraq is both a tragedy and a farce, with over 1 million dead in a useless war based on imaginary facts. You want a tragedy? Teach them about that.

Teach them about Vietnam, another useless war based on imaginary facts, one that killed several millions. Teach them about the great Ukraine famine that killed 20 million, or the great Indian famine orchestrated by the UK that killed many millions. Or what about the rape of Nanjing, or WW II?

My question remains: Its obvious you have a personal agenda, so what is it?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buck Lin wrote:
Tarimisu I agree 100% with you but I think what has happened to me and some of the other posters as caused us to become callous. I lived in Montreal and went to McGill. Every year I was forced to look at photos of the hollocaust, if I didn't look at them I was branded an anti semintic. I see German youths who tell me the same story about how
they too must feel remorse for this horrible time in history.
Do your thing and don't worry about it. No matter what you do in China you will be criticized. As the Chinese say, the view is better from the mountain top. Diaries are good but don't be discouraged when you read them and they are all the same.


I can understand wanting to get away from it for awhile. It really wasn't branded in me so much during my education. In my region, there were plenty of people who thought it was all a big lie. Anne Frank was required reading when I was in the 8th grade, which I think is pretty on par with the level my students are at.

You don't have to tell me about getting assignments that all sound the same. I can't even count how many times I read "With the development of society" blah blah bullshit blah. I've been trying to aim at assigning things that will encourage the individual. We'll see. I took an idea from this website about today's lesson, I put a handful of situations on paper and had students choose one from a bag to write a hypothetical entry about. I'm curious to see what they come up with since all situations are different. Needless to say, they were all giggly and enthusiastic versus the quiet-as-a-mouse demeanor they normally possess.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bearcanada wrote:
If you want to teach Jewish history or Middle Eastern history, then go ahead. But stop telling us (and yourself, and your students) that this is "English History". It isn't. And the world is full of great tragedies, of which this is only one. The current war in Iraq is both a tragedy and a farce, with over 1 million dead in a useless war based on imaginary facts. You want a tragedy? Teach them about that.

Teach them about Vietnam, another useless war based on imaginary facts, one that killed several millions. Teach them about the great Ukraine famine that killed 20 million, or the great Indian famine orchestrated by the UK that killed many millions. Or what about the rape of Nanjing, or WW II?

My question remains: Its obvious you have a personal agenda, so what is it?


The only personal agenda I can think of is I want good material to teach. All other reasons can be found in my post, which I suggest you read more thoroughly before you start criticizing me.
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Buck Lin



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your avator is way off base here in China. Do you not know that monkeys and cats are not compatable? It would be far more appropriate to have the monkey drying off a rat.
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Jordean



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

taramisu wrote:


The only personal agenda I can think of is I want good material to teach. All other reasons can be found in my post, which I suggest you read more thoroughly before you start criticizing me.


taramisu wrote:
I've been teaching English writing to college sophomores for the past 5 months. We just began second semester last week. This semester I'm encouraging letter-writing over the essay, and I want to begin with the Diary.

I asked my students if they had read the Diary of Anne Frank and no one had read it! I don't know if they had even heard of it. Of course, there's a possibility some were shy and didn't speak up, which is a normal occurrence...but it poses the question, do these kids know about the Holocaust?

If they don't, should I be the one to tell them about it? Yes, I realize that the Holocaust is something everyone should know about, but nonetheless it makes me nervous, since the motto in China seems to be "I wish you happy everyday" and everyone wears the perpetual rose-colored glasses and anything bordering on violent or negative seems to be a taboo subject. This is my first year teaching, I don't know if I'm feeling ballsy enough to potentially shatter that kind of perspective...

Anyway, I'd love to hear some feedback from other teachers, especially ones who have come across this subject with their students.


You got plenty of good feedback but not the kind you want. Why not teach them about the baMbuti pygmies in the Congo? That would be about as relevant to their lives.

All of your students' parents lived through the Cultural Revolution, and some through the Great Leap Forward. Many of your students came from villages where life is still pretty hard. Many face unemployment after graduation. They have an inkling about the nature of life...

As for your proposition that "everyone" should know about the Holocaust, why exactly? Plenty of other examples of genocide. Why should "everyone" know about this event in particular?

Your question was not about a good diary to use for class, but about teaching the Holocaust and shattering illusions. That's an agenda.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

killian wrote:
did ms. frank write her journal in english? what would it have to do with an english writing class?


Exactly.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am with Katja 84.

Why are you teaching literature-based English composition?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I want to be able to introduce Anne Frank so my students can understand the gravity of the situation and to recognize the importance of her contribution,

Why?
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