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matthew156

Joined: 30 Jan 2009 Posts: 140 Location: The Majik Kindom
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:42 am Post subject: In Bahrain waiting for Saudi visa |
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Well well. It seems I've made it this far just have to cross that long bridge into Saudi sometime in the next couple of days. It's a holiday (holy day) that has grinded everything to a stop all over the ME.
Soon to be in the majik kindom. I'll have to change my location on my profile then. Anyhoo. The reason why I'm writing this thread is to get some info about Saudi. Here in Bahrain I see very little native Arabs. The majority of the population, it seems, is an immigrant workforce. Is this generally the case for Saudi too?
I am just curious because most of the workforce hardly knows any English. They are all speaking in their native tongues which are not Arabic. I will be at a government university in Saudi and will be helping Saudi nationals acquire English. My dilemma is this; what use will this be for them other than understanding their studies which is all conducted in English (EAP)?
Any insights are greatly appreciated.
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Here in Bahrain I see very little native Arabs |
Oh, there are some big ones, too!
I think you meant to use "fewer" |
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matthew156

Joined: 30 Jan 2009 Posts: 140 Location: The Majik Kindom
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yes
But I do seem to be taller than them. Most of them. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Mia Xanthi wrote: |
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Here in Bahrain I see very little native Arabs |
Oh, there are some big ones, too!
I think you meant to use "fewer"
Or, "few"..."very fewer"
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: In Bahrain waiting for Saudi visa |
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matthew156 wrote: |
My dilemma is this; what use will this be for them other than understanding their studies which is all conducted in English (EAP)? |
Shhh... matt... we wouldn't want anyone to think too much about this question. These jobs could disappear fast...
Seriously, it is a question that we have all asked ourselves. It has been a government decision in these Gulf countries to try to make the majority of their populations bi-lingual in English... mainly because of the international fact of the oil business.
It makes things very difficult for these students because the majority of them arrive at university with abysmal prior English training.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: In Bahrain waiting for Saudi visa |
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...the majority of them arrive at university with abysmal prior English training.
VS
...and, study skills;
...and motivation;
...and correct bahavioral standards;
...and the ability to focus/stay on task;
...and the ability to follow the simplest rules;
...and the ability to actually read directions before asking how to perform the task;
...and the ability to stop IMing absolutly EVERYONE in the world during class;
...and the ability to move from Point A to Point B at more than glacial speed...
The list goes on and on!
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Sheikh N Bake

Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 1307 Location: Dis ting of ours
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Oh joy! An OP with more English errors than you see in a freshman composition! Do you think relevant discussion has now "grinded" to a halt? "Is" our studies conducted in English? |
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matthew156

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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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I shuda stucted to biology
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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I shuda stucted to biology
Matt
You'll receive no love on this board, Matt.
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Dear matthew156,
"I shuda stucted to biology."
Well, your response shows that you do possess two of the most absolutely essential qualities for lasting any length of time in the Kingdom:
1. a sense of humor (especially about oneself). 2. patience
And Sheikh, having taught freshman composition, I'd have to say, based on my experiences, that matthew156's OP would have delighted me had it been handed in as an assignment. But then, perhaps my freshman comp students weren't as adavanced as yours.
Also, don't be TOO discouraged by what you've read so far. I taught Saudis at the IPA for nineteen years, and I found that the breakdown (at least in my classes) was about the same as everywhere else that I've taught:
10%= very good to excellent
10% = hopeless
the other 80% falling in between
But then, perhaps I was just lucky for nineteen years,
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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10%= very good to excellent
10% = hopeless
the other 80% falling in between |
I agree with johnslat, except that I would put 15% at the top....and that\s mostly because I teach women.  |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Dear NCTBA,
Can you feel the love?
Regards,
John |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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It hain't "love"...it's infatuation with a new poster!
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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Dear NCTBA,
Ah, but a new poster with a self-deprecating sense of humor and patience with us old f*rts.
Now those are rare qualities.
Regards,
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matthew156

Joined: 30 Jan 2009 Posts: 140 Location: The Majik Kindom
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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I thank you all and I welcome all the snyde, abrasive, degrading and utterly humiliating remarks offered. I will cherish them and hold them close to me, as I do all my enemies.
But seriously I really am grateful and any other tidbit of information is terribly valued by me.
Regards.
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