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Pelham
Joined: 05 Mar 2009 Posts: 9
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:40 am Post subject: Savings... honestly |
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| I've heard various quotes on how much can be saved in Japan... but on the average salary, is it that hard to save at least $800 (USD) a month? (and I mean , living very moderately, using a bike as much as possible for transport, bars/clubs only about twice a month, eating at home most nights..etc) |
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BobbyBan

Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 201
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Savings... honestly |
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| Pelham wrote: |
| I've heard various quotes on how much can be saved in Japan... but on the average salary, is it that hard to save at least $800 (USD) a month? (and I mean , living very moderately, using a bike as much as possible for transport, bars/clubs only about twice a month, eating at home most nights..etc) |
It depends on a lot of factors (where you will be living and how much rent you pay are important). But with the average salary being taken as 250000 yen a month it can be done: bearing in mind that how much you spend on a night out can also seriously dent your chances.
250,000.00 JPY = 2,540.07 USD
70,000 - 100,000 (rent)
30,000 (food and other things in the house)
10 - 20,000 (going out)
10,000 (bills - but with a mobile phone possibly/probably more)
It depends on you whether you have Internet/cable connections etc but 800 dollars is not beyond the realm of possibility if you live fairly frugrally.
You'll also have to remember start-up costs as well as other expenses such as clothes/suits/teaching materials etc... |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:00 am Post subject: |
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In my opinion, no, it's not that hard.
Typical salary of 250,000.
Half is used for basic necessities (rent, utilities, food, insurance, phone/Internet).
Go out a couple times a week and drink conservatively, and you'll still have 75,000 left over. So a more frugal person (for example, one who finds the all-you-can-eat/drink places, or the happy hours, or one who drinks from the supermarket shelves/vending machines) should find it fairly easy to save that much.
It won't always come easy, though. The temptation to spend is strong. Some people recommend banking what you want to save immediately (and overseas where it's harder to touch) after payday. |
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GIR

Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 64
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| If you're capable of saving money in America, you should have no problems saving money here. If you struggled with it back home, you're probably going to struggle with it here. |
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flyer
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 539 Location: Sapporo Japan
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:54 am Post subject: |
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and of course you maybe lucky and get a higher wage!!
... I was lucky enough to get a job with a wage much more than 250,000yen per month
and hense saving $800 is no problem
but these well paying jobs are few and far between, generally they require experience |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 11:50 am Post subject: |
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My advice is to write up a budget and try to stick to it as best as you can. Like you would in your own country. Getting paid once a month helps you (or pushes you) to organize and save your money. I set up a weekly and monthly budget and gave myself room for error. Round up all your numbers.
I gave myself Y20,000 for food, going out, etc. After a few months, I found that I get by on Y15,000. Bit less drinking with friends, but I was saving Y60-70K/month. And still ate, paid rent, had a beer and DVD on occasion. |
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jgmodlin

Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 120 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: |
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They key to saving is to get some private students. The people I knew who really managed to save a lot almost always had many private students.
Another thing is to try to cobble together as much part-time work as possible. Part-time work is generally better paid and can really add up.
Line up solid work during the day and try to fill up the early evenings with part-time/privates. Working more also means you'll generally have less time to spend too!
FYI I usually managed to send $1000 to $2000 back home each month, some periods of time more than that. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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| jgmodlin wrote: |
| They key to saving is to get some private students. The people I knew who really managed to save a lot almost always had many private students. |
Getting some PT work really boosted my savings per month significantly. On a personal level, I recommend making a budget based around your primary source of income first (for me, it was 250K), then gradually pick up extra work. For psychological and financial reasons, I think it is best to build up to a certain level of savings. Like exercise, you gradually add weights to the bar.
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| Working more also means you'll generally have less time to spend too! |
There's some danger to this approach. More work and less free time means you may be more tired and less motivated to cook at home.
"Man, I'm beat. I don't wanna cook. Let's get some ramen. And a beer. Maybe two..."
Takes a lot of self-discpline to stick to your plan after working a 10-hour day. But it can be done, so best of luck to you! |
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jgmodlin

Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 120 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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There's some danger to this approach. More work and less free time means you may be more tired and less motivated to cook at home.
"Man, I'm beat. I don't wanna cook. Let's get some ramen. And a beer. Maybe two..."
Takes a lot of self-discpline to stick to your plan after working a 10-hour day. But it can be done, so best of luck to you! |
That is true, I remember not feeling at all like cooking something when I got home at 9 after a long day. One cool thing is the local supermarket next to the station and their half price meals - saves on having to cook when you get home tired. My live-in GF (now my wife) helped a lot too by often having dinner waiting on me when I got home.
In my case, I often passed on the after work beer since I knew what a big day I would have again the following day. I guess my approach was sort of the camel method, work like crazy for a couple of months and then take a few days off for a mini vacation to someplace like Saipan, P.I., or Thailand.
I agree sticking to a budget is definitely key. I used to turn my day into a game to see how many ways I could save yen. Ex: If I just walk those three blocks between those two subway stations I can avoid having to shell out an extra 160 yen to change to a different subway line. If I grab a free cup of green tea from the break room of that office I'll save the 120 yen I could spend at the conbini. If I use the copy machine at the school before I meet that private student I can save on having to buy more ink for my printer. By the end of the day it was pretty common to see where you had saved an extra 600 to 1000 yen through no real effort. Multiply that out and you've just paid for your utilities for the month or made enough to justify a couple of good nights out on the town. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| jgmodlin wrote: |
| One cool thing is the local supermarket next to the station and their half price meals |
Yup, "hangaku" was one of the first kanji I learned. Quite handy!
I also turned saving money into a game, a test. I started saving receipts, counting up my expenses for the weeks and months. Amazing the goofy crap you buy when you don't think about it. I still budgeted some fun for myself. If I really wanted a drink at home, a bottle of shochu is Y800. Water and ice are free. I still went out to the izakaya once a week with the other teachers, but I ate an onigiri before going.
Again, little by little worked for me. I started with a weekly budget of Y20,000 then weaned myself down to Y15,000. Presto! An extra Y20,000/month to save. I saw a few teachers starve themselves for the first 2-3 months and they were so miserable that they blew their budget and lost motivation to save.
If you have private lessons/PT work, make sure to separate the money. If you mix it up, then things get messy. I made a point of depositing money from my PT job into a different bank account. |
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