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King Faisal School, Riyadh
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redeyes



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The info about these people and the Western stooges that run the place is nothing less than scary. Looks like a place to avoid at all costs.

The bit about "fitness being encouraged" amongst staff makes it sound so ....urrrmmmm..... attractive.... I mean, staff are allowed to use the running track in their break times....

Wow....that's a bonus....I mean, that's exactly what I want to do in my breaks between class, go off on a jog in the blazing sun. What a good perk of the job eh?
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't go to King Faisal School. In all my ears in the Kingdom I have never heard ANYTHING positive about the place. Very Happy
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey

Sorry I didn't reply to 'Veiled Sentiments Earlier', but I am pretty busy with our new IB Diploma Programme. I think you guys that hang arounds these forums need to wise up a little. You guys keep banging this school (and others) when the place is really pretty decent. Decent for a NATIONAL school, that is. It doesn't really compare to national schools, but then not many schools in the region do. It's about the best national school in the country. It's an eight hour, five-day week and I am still here. Of course, I may move on next year, but then people do, don't they? Riyadh is not the party capital of the world, but the Diplomatic Quarter is nice and free and the school is happy to let us wander off at lunch and grab a burger or a coffee at Starbucks. The school used to have big problems, and discipline wiull always mean you need to be quite resiliant in class, but again Arab NATIONAL school. Go to inner city London and see how long you last...why don't you three who are always knocking the place go and have a look at it in the 21st century instead of listening to people who were fired long ago?
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kepler wrote:
Sorry I didn't reply to 'Veiled Sentiments Earlier', but I am pretty busy with our new IB Diploma Programme.

Goodness... so busy that it took you 3 years to reply? Shocked Note that my post above is from 2006.

But I would still recommend that any newbie to KSA thinking of working here go back and read all the past threads because from what I have seen over the years, certain things remain the same. And for many people, a posh campus isn't everything. Glad to hear that you have been happy there for your time. I think a place like this requires more from a teacher than many want to accept. I applaud your survival, but you surely admit that this place is not for everyone... or even most teachers.

I think your reference to teaching in an inner city is a telling comparison and it would likely be good job preparation. Unlike most of us, they would be able to see the positives. At least the little darlings in KSA won't be armed. (right? I hope not anyway...) Most of us would prefer to stay away from both... Laughing

VS
(I don't know anyone who was fired there. The two that I knew left by their own decision based on the conditions as they saw them. And one of them lasted a few years - regaling me with tales of the job the whole time... you and he probably share the same positive traits of tolerance and patience.)
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The school used to have big problems, and discipline wiull always mean you need to be quite resiliant in class, but again Arab NATIONAL school. Go to inner city London and see how long you last...
I don't think many kids in innner city comprehensives in London have their parents demanding the days work be faxed to Beverly Hills because they're keeping the kids there for a few weeks of term time.

King Faisal School is a top-of-the-range independent school. The equivalent in inner London would be the City of London School, or St. Paul's Hammersmith, or if you are going out to the suburbs, Harrow.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
Kepler wrote:
Sorry I didn't reply to 'Veiled Sentiments Earlier', but I am pretty busy with our new IB Diploma Programme.

Goodness... so busy that it took you 3 years to reply? Shocked Note that my post above is from 2006.


Well, he had to fix the school and make sure it was tolerable before replying, didn't he? Wink
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies, I meant the reply to Never Ceased To Be Amazed, not Veiled, and of course i was replying to the 2009 queries.

As for people being fired, they are fired from time to time but I quite agree most leave of their own accord. Usually people stay one or two years, not a week (though that has happened once to my knowledge.) Leaving is usually because of Saudi itself.

To Stephen about London, I was not comparing economic classes of relative worth within societies, but rather discipline levels of students.

There are plenty of teachers pissed off with Saudi national schools, but those who are thicker skinned (like me) do stay longer. No-one compared KFS with an international school or even most usual western-style schools (apart from the tough ones as discussed above.) I do see our job here as helping make things better.

I repeat, if you are interested in working at the school and you are in Riyadh, just come and visit. The western staff will be happy to talk to you.
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tomboy666



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

King Faisal School is a nice place to work, though you need to have good classroom management skills as the kids will need a reason to respect you; doesn't come automatically. Decent money, decent accommodation; they treat the staff well. I was a teacher there and later a manager. I work at an internatonal school in another country now, but i still miss the old place from time to time.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BThe last post probably emanated from the Great beast Mephisto himself, as the "666" indicates. No one in the know has ANYTHING positive to say about this school. Take my advice and have nothing to do with them.
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Kepler



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohhhh I see scot47, ignore the positive posts and just revel in insulting the people who were kind enough to write something constructive? Funny that of the three peope who have ACTUALLY worked at the school, two were positive. The negative one has admitted he worked there over a decade ago. Scot47...hmmmmm I assume your post emanates from 1947? Up-to-date as usual...
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kepler wrote:
There are plenty of teachers pissed off with Saudi national schools, but those who are thicker skinned (like me) do stay longer.

I think that you have hit the nail on the head with that comment Kepler. One problem in the past that may or may not be happening now... perhaps they learned their lesson - was that they kept bringing over Americans from job fairs in the US - who had never been overseas and didn't have enough experience in the difficult situations that occur in these national schools. They were nowhere near prepared to deal with the demands of the wealthier well-connected Saudi parents.

It is better for everyone - both current teachers and new hires - that new teachers know what they are getting into. And, the old threads here highlight many of the issues. Too many get romanced by the salary and good facilities, but can't cope with either life in Riyadh or the reality of this type of school.

Experienced Middle East teachers with sufficiently hardened exoskeletons and lots of patience to be able to go with the flow are ready for a contract or two to pad the savings.

VS
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tomboy666



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said, Veiled. We need to take your post as an example of constructive comment. Un-travelled (unseasoned internationally) teachers get beat up in Saudi national schools (same in many other countries.)
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whiskersass



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having worked there some time ago, I found on the positive.

You were paid regularly and the school honored their side of the contract.

However the working environment itself is a bit of a contradiction to what has been said by a few people.

It was something out of St. Trinians with the Machiavellian touch and big brother watching you.
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briana74



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, Embarassed sorry, Veiled!

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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