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Lack of Respect from Some (a very few) Students
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Lack of Respect from Some (a very few) Students Reply with quote

I've been at the same school for four years now and have done quite well here. But from time to time I have some minor problems.

One popped up recently. I have all English majors and their English is generally pretty good. I veered away from the teaching plan for a couple of weeks to give the students a break from the regular routine. The classes that were subbed in were generally received well by most students, as I expected.

However I received a text message from one student last night telling me they thought the class was "a complete waste of time and that noone liked it" (along with a few other rude words tossed in). I replied by asking what their name was (I insist on getting the name of any student who communicates with me either by email, face to face or by phone, and they know this). They refused to tell me their name and jokingly said "My name's not important." The communication stopped there.

I asked all the monitors to check their class list for that phone number, but no suspects turned up. I'm determined to find out who it is, but not sure how to proceed in doing so.

One plan I have is to go into each class (I have seven different classes) and let everyone know what transpired (along with the phone number) and that if the individual doesn't have the decency to come forward, that I'll implement some form of collective punishment. I generally get good reviews from the students and I think most of them genuinely value the time we have together, so I think this might work.

Another plan is to simply begin each class by dialing that number and finding out whose phone rings. And then deal with it.

Any suggestions?
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suanlatudousi



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once had the same problem. It was not a single comment from the same number.

Go talk to the Dean and show the messages and number. TRUST ME .... not only will it stop, but your life will improve greatly. The "respect" will flood your class, for a short time anyway.

These types of things should never be tolerated and they NEVER do such things to a Chinese teacher.

Do it. Trust me.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Will add your solution to my list, and just wait to see what anyone else says here. Then tomorrow will decide and then deal with it Very Happy
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suanlatudousi



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If don't want to be so aggressive, simply present the situation to the class - hold your phone up, read the message, write the number on the board and explain to them how disgusted you are that you are being treated with no respect, that they would never do such a thing with a Chinese teacher, then leave the room -- just to the toilet or something.

I couldn't care less about the whole "saving face" concept - it's lame, but the Chinese folks love it and live by it, so maybe it'll have an influence here.

Maybe that will clear the situation up.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Sir I Can Bogey wrote:
How did the students get hold of your mobile phone number?

The monitors all have my mobile number. Normally I never get calls or messages from anyone other than the monitors.

To accommodate the rest of the students, I communicate weekly with the classes via their class email address, and this is how they can express their thoughts on the class, or ask me questions outside of the class.

The incident above was a rare exception.

I've also gotten phone calls from people all over town asking me to work part time. No matter how hard you try in China, your mobile number will be sent hither and thither by your FAO, or anyone else who thinks they're helping you out by doing so.
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China.Pete



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: A Sore Response Reply with quote

"...I communicate weekly with the classes via their class email address, and this is how they can express their thoughts on the class, or ask me questions outside of the class." -- Cleric

Students provide feedback in various ways about our teaching all of the time. Sometimes it is helpful, or at least affords us an opportunity to explain why we teach the way we do. I try to encourage this. More often than not, however, the feedback is simply provided to their local teachers and administrators, who may or may not use it constructively. This can be really annoying, especially when it is misinformed or even slanderous, but what can one do? Your attempts to discover the source of a comment which was obviously meant to be anonymous strike me as being more likely to make you look petty than gain you respect. Be glad, at least, that the comment was sent to you. I would probably not give it any more of a response than to explain in class, in an off-hand manner, why I did what I did and move on. But that's just me.
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Hansen



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't please 'em all, all the time.

You are making way too much of this. Let it go.
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suanlatudousi



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hansen wrote:
Can't please 'em all, all the time.

You are making way too much of this. Let it go.


Completely the wrong answer.

Do you have any concept what would happen if they started mouthing off to one of their Chinese teachers ? They would be lucky if they didn't get booted straight out of the university.

Being engaging and friendly in the classroom is one thing. Being abused in such a manner is completely against any university or social "rule"

There is basis of professionalism here. Stand up for yourself there Hansen.

Not everyone is the so-called "dancing monkey" If you want to be everyone's buddy, that's fine. But you should be a professional first and foremost - not the favorite, entertaining, singing, dancing, everyone's buddy type.

There is an environment that must be established. You want to be treated as less than a "teacher" then by all means let them do whatever they wish to you. If you don't want to be a "professional teacher" then you shouldn't be here.

Everyone complains how the school considers them an outsider, not part of this or that, how they are less than other teachers, well, the suggestion to ignore it is a fine example supporting such complaints.

The simple fact, again ... if they did this to a Chinese teacher, they'd be screwed.

There are lines that have to be drawn. The manner and extent are to be determined by you.

Go to Dean - suggested
Go to the class approach - suggested

3rd suggestion - take the monitor aside and make sure they HE/SHE is responsible for the actions taken by members of his class and that he/she has 24 hours to resolve it and inform you of the offender or you'll proceed further. The monitor isn't going to screw his standing with The Party leaders and will solve it for you.

Stand up for yourself man .... geez
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roadwalker



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree you are making too much of it. Why collective punishment? Because they are used to it? Do they deserve it? So the kid who didn't like your class is a coward. And s/he got away with it, whatever it is. I guarantee that if you punish the rest of the students for a bad review of one kid, that kid will be the winner of your fight. You will lose the respect of the students that you have spent years building up. Take a breath, we all get told our classes suck (at least I have).

Why not bring the message into class and ask if there is any truth to it? Try to get some honest constructive feedback. It will shame the coward and give the students a chance to contribute.
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bradley



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it only happened once I would ignore it.

This may just be a cultural difference.
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