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prairiemaker



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:23 am    Post subject: classroom teaching freedom at KAU? Reply with quote

Hello, if anyone has any input I would be grateful. I am an American on faculty as a professor of English in South Korea. I work on a small campus a few hours away from the main campus. I am a one man English department at this university of about 5000 thousand students. I have been lucky in that my student evaluations have been very high and because of this I am left alone by the main university campus. I work in a good close relationship with my Korean professor peers. I enjoy knowing and teaching my students more than anything I have ever done. I am respected and well liked by both my students and my coworkers. If I had not dreamed of working in Saudi Arabia all my life I would not consider leaving.

I have tried to know as much about Saudi Arabia and the culture as I can from a distance. Since I was a kid I have been reading and dreaming of coming there. This desire has never left and I feel it is something I need to follow. When I hear the call to prayer on television I feel it is deeply sacred and hauntingly beautiful. I am not a Muslim, but I admire the faiths positive aspects and understand deeply some of it justified anger in my own countries past actions. I am not foolish, or have romantic notions about Saudi Arabia. I am well aware there are deep adjustments for myself as learn living in the culture of the Middle East. .

I applied to KAU and was offered what I felt was a fair contract based on my experience and education. My concern is not my adjustment to Saudi Arabia, but I fear deeply being a robot following a strict syllabus. I am willing to make adjustments. All universities have different expectations. But I fear greatly being so controlled in the classroom I lose my ability to be a good teacher. I fear doing something I love so much turning into something I would hate. I am a very good teacher that would quickly become a very bad teacher, if I was allowed no creative freedom to motivate my students and teach in my own way. If anybody has any input to the actual day to day classroom teaching at KAU and how much freedom you have in the classroom I would greatly appreciate it.

I should also add I will be bringing my wife. She is Philippine. I am aware of the cultural perceptions of Philippines in Saudi, as is my wife. Any thoughts about Jeddah as a married couple wood are greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, unless the money is significantly better, your teaching situation in Korea sounds significantly better than you will encounter in Saudi. (I know the won has tanked...)

As a non-Muslim, I fear you will find that your perceived notions of the country based on your studies will leave you disappointed, as will the teaching. (you will find that the students have much lower abilities to read and write in English and their vocabularies are very limited in comparison to Korean students)

JMHO... and I suspect that your wife will hate it... many marriages have crashed and burned in Araby...

VS
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SD BOY



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, very well put VS. Saudi is definitely no the place for anyone with romantic notions of Arabia.
Why not consider Oman? It's a beautiful country with a much more hospitable atmosphere.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that one, VS. I have a telephone interview with KAU tomorrow. I am also in Korea and am stuggling with the tanking Won. My motivations to come to the ME are purely financial. Although I won't relish being in the ME, at least I know my bills are being paid and I am able to save again.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:15 am    Post subject: I hope I am misreading your reply Reply with quote

I appreciate the advice, but I am saddened by the direction this thread immediately went to. That I admire a religion that ask a man to humble himself before his god five times a day, or the beauty of its sacred call, does not necessarily make me a romantic incapable of functioning in the big bad Saudi. Nor does the fact that since I was a child I have been fascinated with Saudis culture make Saudi Arabia �no place for me�. That you think the only people that should come to Saudi Arabia or those driven simply for money saddens me greatly, not for myself, but for you and for your students. I hope deeply I have misread your comments.

I see this same line of thought posted all the time on the Korean thread. I often hear how unmotivated the Korean students are, how many can not read and write English, or speak even at a basic level. In my beginning English conversation classes I have on average fifty students. Half of these students will be incapable of understanding a word I am saying. They are usually, at first, scared to death of me. That I love teaching unmotivated students to be motivated and to love the magic of English is the reason for my writing this thread for help.

I recognize fully, that because of my particular style of teaching, I am capable of motivating the students you describe, only if I am left alone to do so. I am lucky, that in my present job I am given the respect and creative freedom to finds ways to reach these students. This often means a less traditional teaching manner. My teaching is very fluid and dynamic and can very from class to class as I read the class and its needs.

So again my question from anyone working at KAU is how much creative freedom will I be allowed in the classroom?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: I hope I am misreading your reply Reply with quote

prairiemaker wrote:
I That I love teaching unmotivated students to be motivated and to love the magic of English is the reason for my writing this thread for help.

I recognize fully, that because of my particular style of teaching, I am capable of motivating the students you describe, only if I am left alone to do so. I am lucky, that in my present job I am given the respect and creative freedom to finds ways to reach these students. This often means a less traditional teaching manner. My teaching is very fluid and dynamic and can very from class to class as I read the class and its needs.

So again my question from anyone working at KAU is how much creative freedom will I be allowed in the classroom?


Generally speaking, the amount of creative freedom in the classroom will depend upon your employer and the type/ amount of curriculum to be covered over a stated period of time. It is my assumption based upon my own experiences, that the majority of students have a hard time adjusting to new styles of learning and are very accustommed to basic rote style. There never seems to be enough time to venture far from the set curriculum to add much of one's own creativity in to the mix. However, there may be opprotunities available to do so.

It is a gradual process of introducing them to new ways of learning that encourages them to think more independantly rather than to just memorize and copy everything.

You may also find alot of resistance to new teaching strategies if said techniques vastly differ from the norms of the school and what students are used to.

Your methods do not sound like they are typical styles used in the classroom. If this is the case, you may meet with alot of resistance from students, administration as well as your colleagues.

The main thing is that you are able to complete the curriculum set for each term. How you meet the objectives of the course work, I would think would be up to you. In my experience, administration pretty well leaves you alone to conduct your class however you see fit.

However, if students start complaining then you may find yourself having to justify your "special" methods/ strategies to the powers that be.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: I hope I am misreading your reply Reply with quote

prairiemaker wrote:
I appreciate the advice, but I am saddened by the direction this thread immediately went to. That I admire a religion that ask a man to humble himself before his god five times a day, or the beauty of its sacred call, does not necessarily make me a romantic incapable of functioning in the big bad Saudi. Nor does the fact that since I was a child I have been fascinated with Saudis culture make Saudi Arabia �no place for me�. That you think the only people that should come to Saudi Arabia or those driven simply for money saddens me greatly, not for myself, but for you and for your students. I hope deeply I have misread your comments.

Not one person on this thread suggested only people who are driven simply by money go to Saudi. What has been suggested is that you may be arriving with some misconceptions, which could be described as "romantic." And if you can't admit that much to yourself... Laughing

For all its many positives, Islam is a religion that has just as many hypocrites and sinners as any other of the major religions. Going onto one's knees five times a day doesn't guarantee a person who doesn't steal or kill or be a brute after he leaves the mosque.

But, if it is the musicality and beauty of the call that you want... I don't think Saudi might be the best choice. Cairo provided the most beautiful calls to prayer of my experience. The Gulf muezzins often intentionally make it unattractive to better suit its importance.

The call to prayer was one of the things that I missed very much when I returned to the US.

VS
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: I hope I am misreading your reply Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:


For all its many positives, Islam is a religion that has just as many hypocrites and sinners as any other of the major religions. Going onto one's knees five times a day doesn't guarantee a person who doesn't steal or kill or be a brute after he leaves the mosque. VS


What 'many positives' are you referring to, VS? A number of my Gulf students over the past 5 years have appeared to be more or less 'over' the litany of constraints imposed by their religion in this region.

For example, the fear of burning in hell for displaying a lock of hair has receded somewhat. In general, I note young students increasingly tending to shrug their shoulders about supposed misdemeanours. They simply hide them well from relatives and opt to believe that "Allah is very forgiving".

This approach strikes me as quite sensible.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: I hope I am misreading your reply Reply with quote

prairiemaker wrote:
So again my question from anyone working at KAU is how much creative freedom will I be allowed in the classroom?

Well, first you need to define what you mean by 'creative freedom'?
Second, the culture, environment, character of students in the Magic Kingdom are different from those in Korea or USA, which means your style/method of teaching in Korea may be not effective in the Middle East environment. Specifically in the Magic Kingdom, and in a university environment, you will be controlled (indirectly) by the administrative system, and sometimes, and due to cultural factors and students types, your options in 'creative freedom' will be limited.
And lastly, you might end up as a bad teacher in front of your Saudi students because of your 'creative freedom'.

There are some Saudi students which need a �Military General style� of teaching in the classroom to control them, and the �creative freedom� will not help you at all.

VS wrote:
The call to prayer was one of the things that I missed very much when I returned to the US.

Well, if you want to hear the call to prayer in USA, go and visit Michigan City.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Call to Prayer Reply with quote

Not very religious myself but when I lived in Indonesia,in contrast to local efforts, often quite out of tune, the morning call to prayer broadcast from the Masjid, was always the same genuine recording from the Middle East.......it was, ....still is, stunningly, incandescently evocative and beautiful.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear prairiemaker,

A friend of mine asked the same question your very same question in an interview with KAU-ELI; he was answered that freedom, in the form of bringing in extra materials, is pretty much encouraged as long as this leadsand smoothly integrates into the ultimate goal of the course books they are using there ( Interaction).

Good Luck,

F
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:58 am    Post subject: OOPS Reply with quote

Oops my last post is here by mistake Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
Something must have happened on the way to the Forum. Very Happy
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