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gungediana



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: the grass is always greener on the other side Reply with quote

I'm just trying to initiate a discussion here, not trying to have a pop at anyone.

Do people think that people who choose to teach English abroad are particularly affected by the 'grass is always greener on the other side' disease?

If you always think the grass is greener on the other side you'll never be content with life. It's debilitating, and that's why I refer to it as a disease. I suppose I'm guilty of this myself a little bit. Although I am in general a pretty happy person.

This is quite a persoanl issue and a lot of people find it hard to talk about it honestly. What do other people think about this?
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear gungediana,

"Do people think that people who choose to teach English abroad are particularly affected by the 'grass is always greener on the other side' disease?"

Some likely are, others probably aren't. For example, I taught abroad for about 22 years, but I spent 19 of those in one country (Saudi Arabia) with one employer (the Institute of Public Administration).

What I do suspect is that such people may tend to be a little more curious (in both senses of the word), more adventurous, more interested in seeing some more of the world than your average stay-at-homer.

Others, of course. are likely fleeing felons.

Regards,
John
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always been 'afflicted' by the GIGOTOS condition, but that's not what got me into TEFL, it's just the way I am. I agree with John that most TEFLers are more inclined to take a risk, or have an adventure, than most people. I got into it because I got hacked off with being semi-employed (or unemployed) most of the time. Many people I knew at that time are still there, still doing the same thing, which in many cases is not much. I'm certainly not envious of them.
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parrothead



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The grass is plenty green where I am now, but that doesn't stop me from feeling curious about other countries and hoping to experience a little more of this world we live in. A lot of factors go into deciding the next move. Sometimes it's the "GIGOTOS condition", but sometimes it's pay, or relationships, or as John suggested, an arrest warrant. For me it is curiosity.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I consistently find the grass greener in the regions where I live and work - and have for over ten years now.
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
I consistently find the grass greener in the regions where I live and work - and have for over ten years now.


Yes spiral, but Holland is greener than most places! Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also rainier Sad
But still greener!
I mean the CR too - I live there and work here, kinda....
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hollysuel



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably a reason why I came to Finland for a nine month contract and am still here after ten years-->can't imagine anything greener (or whiter in the winter)...
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gungediana



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 and hollysuel

If the grass really is greener where you are right now then fair play to you, you're very lucky people.


I would have said GIAGOTOS syndrome is more about being perpetually unhappy with yourself, (and confusing that with being unhappy with the part of the world/situation you're in) rather than being perpetually curious about other places.

I also think that GIAGOTOS syndrome has a stigma attached to it. Some people are a bit afrad to admit to it, even to themselves, because it's seen as being flaky.
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Chancellor



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greener grass could also be the result of more manure. Very Happy
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ranter



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: the grass is always greener on the other side Reply with quote

gungediana wrote:
Do people think that people who choose to teach English abroad are particularly affected by the 'grass is always greener on the other side' disease?


This is a job like any other, no better or worse.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got into this (as a career change) over 10 years ago, many people were flabbergasted. Some friends were 100% behind me. I'd been in Japan twice previously (once for a long vacation and once for business for 5 months), so it wasn't a new environment, but teaching EFL was.

After a year or 2, my mother (who hails from a small town of <1000 and who has never strayed from there all her life) started asking when I would "come home" and "get it out of my system". She still does the former, but the latter comment was what really stung at first.

Changing careers was not something I viewed as GIGOTOS syndrome. Not greener, just different and desired at the time. It still is, or I wouldn't be here (Japan) after so long.
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Mexicobound



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:19 am    Post subject: Re: the grass is always greener on the other side Reply with quote

gungediana wrote:
I'm just trying to initiate a discussion here, not trying to have a pop at anyone.

Do people think that people who choose to teach English abroad are particularly affected by the 'grass is always greener on the other side' disease?

If you always think the grass is greener on the other side you'll never be content with life. It's debilitating, and that's why I refer to it as a disease. I suppose I'm guilty of this myself a little bit. Although I am in general a pretty happy person.

This is quite a persoanl issue and a lot of people find it hard to talk about it honestly. What do other people think about this?


If I thought the grass was greener in Mexico I wouldn't leave a teaching job in Texas making 45,000 a year with full insurance and a retirement plan for for a teaching position in Mexico that pays less than 20,000US( including paid private accommodations).
Sometimes experience and love of a culture are the driving factors for a teacher abroad.
That's my dos pesos.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Mexicobound,

Ah, but greener grass can take many forms besides money.

Regards,
John
P.S. By the way, do you need someone to untie you?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:31 am    Post subject: Re: the grass is always greener on the other side Reply with quote

gungediana wrote:
I'm just trying to initiate a discussion here, not trying to have a pop at anyone.

Do people think that people who choose to teach English abroad are particularly affected by the 'grass is always greener on the other side' disease?

If you always think the grass is greener on the other side you'll never be content with life. It's debilitating, and that's why I refer to it as a disease. I suppose I'm guilty of this myself a little bit. Although I am in general a pretty happy person.

This is quite a persoanl issue and a lot of people find it hard to talk about it honestly. What do other people think about this?


In some ways definitely. When I finished Uni in England I headed home to Belfast. The job market there (1997/1998) was woeful and the political situation still hadn't sorted itself out so after farting around on the dole for a while I was forced to take a demoralising job in a supermarket but saved the cash from that to move to London where the grass and the cash was definitely greener! There I met a guy who got me into travelling in a big way and during the course of those travels I discovered Valencia which I then set my sights on moving to.

Teaching was really the only option available to me workwise. After 2 years though I got a bit fed up with kids and met my girlfriend here in Riga and 4 years later here I am. Overall looking back I've no regrets at all. It's been more a case of the grass being different as each place has had its pros and cons. I often think of heading back to Valencia or going to Barcelona as at least this time we'd be in a position to buy a flat and the extra experience would (I hope) allow me to avoid kiddie classes. I know people back home who've been doing the same nonsense for a decade or more, are thoroughly fed up with it, haven't really advanced that much, but don't see any way out. I don't envy them at all.
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