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Conor_Ire
Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:22 am Post subject: An (a,e,i,o,u) right? |
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What about,
An uniform.
An universal event.
An urine sample.
An used car.
An utility bill.
Theres more...
I'm about to teach some students about a/an, how should i explain these type of words without looking like a dodgy sales man.  |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Point out that although those words are spelled with a 'u', they actually begin with a 'y' sound. Tell them they are exceptions (reigai) to the usual rule- Japanese people are used to the idea of exceptions, so this should be fine. Mention that words like "hour" (and "herb" if you're American) take "an" even though they start with a consonant- the first sound is a vowel, hence "an hour", not "a hour". |
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Conor_Ire
Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Regai! That saves alot of ''wakarnai'' talk!
Thank you. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: |
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No! Do not say "regai" (exception).
Learn what the rules are in the first place. As mentioned above, it's not the letter itself that calls for 'a' or 'an'. It's the sound/pronunciation of the letter. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Glenski has spoken. Reigai is a very bad word.  |
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drdo
Joined: 26 Feb 2005 Posts: 53
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:14 am Post subject: |
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Hey, more on this...
With articles, there are other exceptions as well:
1. Use "an" before the unsounded h. For example:
an honorable judge
an honest error
2. When u makes the same sound as the y in you,
or o makes the same sound as w in won, then a is used. For example:
a university
a union
a unicorn
a used napkin
a U.S. ship
a one-legged man
As stated earlier, the choice of article is based on the phonetic (sound) quality of the first letter in a word, not on the orthographic (written) representation of the letter.
If the first letter makes a vowel-type sound, you use "an"; (like in "I got an MA in Physics from MIT.") The M has an em sound, thus needs the article 'an'. If the first letter would make a consonant-type sound, you use "a."
So, if you consider the rule from a phonetic perspective, there really aren't any exceptions to this rule, or so it appears.
Food for thought. |
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Miyazaki
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 635 Location: My Father's Yacht
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Conor_Ire wrote: |
Regai! That saves alot of ''wakarnai'' talk!
Thank you. |
YES!
This is a great thing to say and can move them past the irrelevant questions they have about grammar.
You are not a grammarian. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Miyazaki wrote: |
| Conor_Ire wrote: |
Regai! That saves alot of ''wakarnai'' talk!
Thank you. |
YES!
This is a great thing to say and can move them past the irrelevant questions they have about grammar.
You are not a grammarian. |
And you call yourself a "professor". C'mon, Miyazaki. We are all grammarians in this business. Those that cannot teach -- learn to teach. |
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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The idea behind this particular grammar structure is actually for ease of pronunciation. Have the students practice both the correct way and the incorrect was while focusing on fluency in speech and they will find the the reason for the correct way themselves. |
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ripslyme

Joined: 29 Jan 2005 Posts: 481 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Miyazaki wrote: |
| Conor_Ire wrote: |
Regai! That saves alot of ''wakarnai'' talk!
Thank you. |
YES!
This is a great thing to say and can move them past the irrelevant questions they have about grammar.
You are not a grammarian. |
This is quite a telling statement of the quality of education provided by these dispatch "professors". |
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parrothead

Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 342 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| I've got to agree with Glenski. Saying "reigai" is a bit of a copout. There are many more difficult concepts to teach than An vs A anyway. Also, if you are going to tell them that there are exceptions, why not teach them the word "exceptions" instead. Do your students a service. Isn't that why you teach? |
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BobbyBan

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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 4:51 am Post subject: |
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Yes, the explanation that the rule is based on the phonetic sound rather than the letter is the most important point about the form. Following that rule the "exceptions" given simply are not exceptions. Saying "reigai" to the students is worse than a copout it is wrong.
If there are any exceptions to the rule of a/an they are archaic ones and hardly worth teaching, if at all, such as when a plummy person says "I stayed in an hotel" or "It was an historic moment." I am not sure where those variants come from but I am pretty sure they are no longer used by anywhere near enough of the English-speaking population to make it worthwhile.
As for using Japanese in the classroom, my own view is that the English you use as a teacher and the "classroom English" that the students use between themselves and you as well as with other students is almost the most important English they will use because it is the only time they will actually use the English in its correct setting as opposed to roleplays and discouraging the students from using English by not using it yourself to explain things is like telling students to roleplay shopping in the classroom and then telling them not to bother with it when they actually go to America/Australia/New Zealand etc and find themselves in that situation. |
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wintersweet

Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 345 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, I think telling them it's an exception will actually make it harder to remember, in this case. |
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Conor_Ire
Joined: 22 Nov 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| HHmmmmmm.. Interesting , thanks for the answers. I also had a similar problem explaining why ''amn't'' isn't allowed. I learned that it's simply because it's hard to say. (Not for the Irish, thats why i couldn't understand why it was wrong when i was a kid.) |
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BobbyBan

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Posted: Fri May 15, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Conor_Ire wrote: |
| HHmmmmmm.. Interesting , thanks for the answers. I also had a similar problem explaining why ''amn't'' isn't allowed. I learned that it's simply because it's hard to say. (Not for the Irish, thats why i couldn't understand why it was wrong when i was a kid.) |
If you have trouble explaining a grammar point or the question is something you don't have an answer for then the best thing to do is tell the student they have a good question and that you'll provide the answer next lesson. Then you have time to research it and find out the answer. But don't make up an explanation that seems reasonable to you at the time as you may find that further questions from the students can completely unravel your explanation. |
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