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jumpinindarain
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: What's the deal with Mexico? |
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Hi! I'm an ESL teacher in South Korea right now and I'm hoping to move to Mexico to start teaching around November. I'm wondering if you could help me out by answering some questions. I have a bachelor's but I don't have any sort of teaching certificate (just experience) and I would like to teach adults.
How far in advance should I apply?
Is the internet a good resource to find a job or is it better if I just hop on a plane and start looking around (if so, how on Earth do I go about doing this?)?
What is the process for obtaining legal work (aka not under the table)? Is this difficult to find?
Do most jobs come with perks like housing and medical insurance?
How are the wages?
What type of jobs can I obtain (ex. private English academy, public schools, universities)?
For those of you that spoke minimal Spanish when you got there, did you manage to pick it up fairly easily or was it a painful process? |
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silvertonguedcavalier
Joined: 04 Dec 2008 Posts: 27 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: What's the deal with Mexico? |
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Hey,
I'm not an ESL teacher, but I can share what I've learned from my research into teaching in Mexico.
jumpinindarain wrote: |
How far in advance should I apply? |
Aside from certain slow periods, jobs can be found year round.
jumpinindarain wrote: |
Is the internet a good resource to find a job or is it better if I just hop on a plane and start looking around (if so, how on Earth do I go about doing this?)? |
I would use the internet to find schools that appear to be worth working for, send an e-mail expressing interest (but wouldn't expect to get hired online) and then meet potential employers once in the city.
jumpinindarain wrote: |
What is the process for obtaining legal work (aka not under the table)? Is this difficult to find? |
Work is not difficult to find, the difficulty of the process to make sure you can work legally varies.
jumpinindarain wrote: |
How are the wages? |
Enough to live decently on.
jumpinindarain wrote: |
What type of jobs can I obtain (ex. private English academy, public schools, universities)? |
Depends on your qualifications and how good your social skills are. |
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ixl1503
Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Posts: 1 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: What's the deal with Mexico? |
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I have worked as an ESL teacher in Mexico for 2 years. The experience has been good and bad. For the most part it has been wonderful. Most will look for the minimum of a TESOL/TEFL certification. There are lots of jobs here and the internet is a great source. A reputable school will sponsor your FM3 work visa but in comparison to Korea the wages are very low. You will however earn enough for a comfortable life here in Mexico as the cost of living is relatively cheap. As anywhere, you can live cheaply or expensively - it�s up to you. Many places do not provide housing and if they do, you are generally charged rent and are responsible for elec, water, tel, etc. As for the language, I spoke none when I first arrived but it�s pretty easy to pick up and learn. At least to the beginner conversational stage. Many words in Spanish are similar to English. Just depends how dedicated you are to learning the language, just make sure you bring a phrase book with you (and make sure it�s Mexican Spanish not just Spanish, as they are different). After Korea, I�m sure you will love the lifestyle here. Good luck. I have to admit I love it here, swine flu and all!!!!!!! |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: What's the deal with Mexico? |
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jumpinindarain wrote: |
Hi! I'm an ESL teacher in South Korea right now and I'm hoping to move to Mexico to start teaching around November. I'm wondering if you could help me out by answering some questions. I have a bachelor's but I don't have any sort of teaching certificate (just experience) and I would like to teach adults.
How far in advance should I apply?
Is the internet a good resource to find a job or is it better if I just hop on a plane and start looking around (if so, how on Earth do I go about doing this?)?
What is the process for obtaining legal work (aka not under the table)? Is this difficult to find?
Do most jobs come with perks like housing and medical insurance?
How are the wages?
What type of jobs can I obtain (ex. private English academy, public schools, universities)?
For those of you that spoke minimal Spanish when you got there, did you manage to pick it up fairly easily or was it a painful process? |
I hope this provides some answers:
With a degree and no TEFL you could find work. Many schools prefer to see a "teacher's diploma" aka TEFL, TESOL, CELTA etc. Having a piece of paper that says something like "English Teacher" goes a very long ways here. With your degree and experience I think you could get by with just an on-line course.
To look in advance for jobs is difficult. Most Mexican schools tend to hire as openings come up and they rarely advertise, at least not in any foreigner aimed TEFL sights. You gotta be on the ground, knocking doors.
Just go to a target city (Mexico City for example) get a cheap hotel room and start looking around. You can get a prepaid cell phone for under $50 USD. Print up a stack of resumes at an internet cafe and off you go! Don't pay for an apartment before you find work, otherwise you might have a 2 hour commute (at least in DF).
Almost no jobs include housing. I wouldn't want my place tied to my employer anyways. Health care can be public or private. If you work for a school legally (they should give you the letter and paperwork to take to immigration to receive a FM-3 which is a Mexican visitor's visa. It allows you to work for one year at time and then be renewed) you will also be able to enroll in the public health care system, IMSS.
Private health care is cheap and affordable.
Pay sucks in Mexico. The average is between 8-12,000 pesos per month, full time (M-F plus half day on Sat. in a language school). At about $13 something pesos to the dollar you can see you ain't going get rich here.
Mostly if you want to teach adults you have two options: Teach business classes which means you'll have to commute all over the city all day long and deal with a lot of no-shows, canceled classes, last minute "vacations" etc. The hourly pay is better but you rarely if ever get vacations, benefits of any kind etc. Teaching in a language school means one location, but the hourly pay is lower. You'll also have more hours in front of students.
You should be able to learn basic, passable Spanish in about six months. |
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jumpinindarain
Joined: 22 Apr 2009 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you so much, this has been really helpful! One more question - the drug wars in Mexico are all over the news. Do you feel safe teaching there? |
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TheLongWayHome

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1016 Location: San Luis Piojosi
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Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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You probably won't notice it unless you plan to teach in Tijuana or Cuidad Juarez or Matamoros. It's not something most foreigners come into contact with. |
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rhamses
Joined: 05 May 2009 Posts: 21 Location: Mexico
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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:00 am Post subject: |
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If you really are looking for a top notch teaching job in Mexico try Tec de Monterrey. They have about 33 campuses in Mexico so you can look around. But be warned, the students are the most privileged in the country. So theyre very spoiled. But as far as working there, after a year any top notch university in Latin America should take you.
Good luck |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 1:32 am Post subject: |
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jumpinindarain wrote: |
Thank you so much, this has been really helpful! One more question - the drug wars in Mexico are all over the news. Do you feel safe teaching there? |
The drug war is being blown way outta proportion by the North American/World media (BBC).
The drug wars are a danger, if you are unlucky enough to get into the middle of a firefight
Don't worry about it. Mexico City is still safer than most major US cities, at least in my opinion. I carry pepper spray and whatnot, but I've never used it here. I have used pepper spray in the US a few times and it works great
Even on drunks and druggies, the feel of their eyes, nose and throat on fire while wheezing for breath and having tears pouring down their face is usually more than enough to change some scumbags mind 'bout bothering you.
If you are worried about safety, just grab a can of pepper spray when you get here. |
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Mexicobound

Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 120 Location: In Texas but ready to roam again
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Prof.Gringo wrote: |
If you are worried about safety, just grab a can of pepper spray when you get here. |
Good info.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to bring my pistol or rifles to Mexico. |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Mexicobound wrote: |
Prof.Gringo wrote: |
If you are worried about safety, just grab a can of pepper spray when you get here. |
Good info.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to bring my pistol or rifles to Mexico. |
Yeah, I know how you feel.
The gun laws in Mexico are a joke. Of course there's a flood of weapons pouring across the border from the US, but Mexicans have to jump through so many hoops to even buy a firearm legally and even then you're restricted to .38 or .380 tops. I don't think a foreigner can even apply for a gun ownership permit from the Sec. of Defense. |
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Oreen Scott

Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Posts: 179 Location: Oaxaca, Mexico
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Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: Mexican Drug War |
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I live in Chihuahua, Chihuahua. I walk around feeling totally safe, and I drive to places like Creel, which is the heartland of Chihuahua marijuana farming. (The federals currently occupy an entire hotel in Creel, endeavoring to clean it up) But, I'm crazy.
There were more people killed in the state of Chihuahua last year than in the war in Iraq.
I don't personally know anyone who has been killed, but most of the people I know here have had a relative or close friend murdered. Some involved with drugs, or law enforcement, others just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
There were six murders in this city last Friday. I was ten seconds from witnessing one of those murders. When I arrived the shooters were gone, but the police had not arrived, and someone was using a cell phone to call the police.
The dead guy was lying on the road parallel to his van.
The funny thing is, usually there are two police cars stationed on the corner where the murder occurred.
Some people would say the police knew that the assassination was going to happen and that the assassins were going to make they get-a-way down that street. I don't know about that.
The man who was murdered was not involved with the drug cartels, but inadvertently got in the way of the shooters involved in an el centro incident where two men were killed.
A month and half ago, in almost the same spot as where the innocent guy was killed, another murder occurred.
I don't live in a particularly dangerous area of the city. The whole city is under siege.
But then, Chihuahua state is the most dangerous state in Mexico. |
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Ruffle the cat
Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Posts: 32 Location: different counties
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: safe in Queretaro |
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I live in Queretaro QRO. This is my second time living here and both times I have felt save and secure. When I talk to a taxi driver and they ask me if I like it here I say yes it is safe, clean and the people are very friendly and helpful.
My Spanish isn't great but I can get around. The only negative thing I have found here is it is now very expensive, still cheaper than home ofcourse but not like China.
Right now the economy is not great my friend who ownes 2 ESL schools tells me she has had to downsize, but that won't last forever. This city has lots of industry so things will bounce back for sure. |
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MikeySaid

Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 509 Location: Torreon, Mexico
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 4:43 am Post subject: Re: shooting four blocks from my house |
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I can't say if you should move or not. It would really depend on if there is a growing crime problem in your neighborhood, or was this a hit directed at someone? A seemingly random act of violence is worse than some narcos blowing each other away. It does sound like it could have been random.
When I used to live in TJ I saw a bit of stuff going on, but I was never directly affected by it.
Here in Mexico City I feel safe most of the time, but there are moments where I feel like things could get real bad, real fast.
The big problem for me is the lack of the right to defend myself and my home. While I don't believe in unrestricted gun rights, I do feel having the option to defend one's self is a right and that the police can't be everywhere at once (besides, who really has faith in Mexican police?).
Stay safe! |
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ElJuero
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Posts: 58
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:11 am Post subject: Also varies state by state |
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Just to throw this in - the pluses and minuses can be different state to state. Oaxaca and Chiapas for example are two of the poorer states in Mexico - beautiful in their own right but also quite problematic.
Even immigration, though one would think it's a federal issue, is different in Oaxaca. Things are particularly political here including regular strikes in the streets by teachers and the immigration office here is particularly difficult. Costs can add up quickly when you consider multiple delays and "refiling" of paperwork. Immigration has been known to raid both Mexican and foreign owned schools to check visas. You can work under the table but you will be paid lower wages and run the risk of a run in with immigration. Pay hovers somewhere in the 60 peso range depending on the school. This means a split schedule usually often working 6 days a week. School owners vary from incredibly pleasant to horrid and unethical
"Not getting rich" could also be described as living in a one room w/ a bed, and you'll pay more for a kitchen setup (usually).
I love Latin America but on some level I regret starting esl here. The pay vs. the costs is not great and I'm pretty frugal. I think anyone should expect 4-8 months to get established in a job that's doable (many may not be and you may find yourself cyclying through the bottom of the pile for the first two -three months......) |
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