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spiffy



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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 7:03 am    Post subject: ITTT's Tesol programs. Reply with quote

I'm thinking of taking a 100hr online Tesol test and after a fair bit of research, ITTT seem to be the most professional for my budget. Specifically I'm thinking of taking the 100hr course without instructor. Which they have told me can be used for visa requirements in countries like Korea and Indonesia. Has anyone ever taken a course with them before? Or have any other advice for me?
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep researching would be my best recommendation.

TESOL isn't a test.

I don't know anything about Indonesia, but- for Korea, the only relevant visa requirement is that you are from a "native English speaking country" and have a university degree. If you are in that category, Korean law allows you to be issued a visa to teach English. If not, it doesn't.

It wouldn't make any difference if you have the ITTT cert. Or any other cert.

Personally, I would be hesitant to do business with anyone who gives you erroneous information about the usefulness of the certification they're pitching.

THere are live threads here on SeriousTEFL and i to i. Check them out- they aren't the same program you're looking at, but they are a pretty in-depth discussion of online TEFL/TESOL certs in general.


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spiffy



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've heard it is also possible to work in Korea and Taiwan if you have a 2 year degree and teaching certificate. Either way I just want to make sure my certificate is recognised in all countries which they said it is.

I also looked at serious TEFL but they don't currently have a 100hr course and from looking at their website I don't really get any good feelings about them. Any other recommendations? Or anyone who has taken the ITTT course before?
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of things-

ITTT makes a big deal, on their website, about the fact that their course is the ONLY online course accredited by IATQuO.

From their website:
Quote:
International TESOL Teacher Training is the ONLY provider of online TESOL courses and online TESOL certification externally accredited and moderated by IATQUO (International Association of TESOL Qualifying Organizations).


From the IATQuO website, referring to the ITTT cert. (http://www.iatquo.org/FAQ.shtml#Is_this_school_or_course_legitimate/_Doe) :

Quote:
This course provides a sound introduction to the grammar and the phonology of English as well as to learning and teaching styles ans strategies.

It cannot ,of course, provide supervised teaching practice or other practical experience


So though they acknowledge it, they also admit some limitations.

Also from the same page:

Quote:
ITTT online course (20 unit tutored course ONLY)


But when I look at ITTT's website, the offer litterally half a dozen courses, some tutored, some not- none described as 20 units that I could see in the headings. So IATQuO says they accredit one specific ITTT course, ITTT sort of whitewashes, looks like they're all in there.

IATQuO also says this:

Quote:
The online ITTT course have applied for partial validation/accreditation and has obtained it


Partial? It sure doesn't say partial on ITTT's website.

Again, from IATQuO
Quote:
Is it possible to gain a validated certificate by following an online course?

While a purely online course cannot receive a validation a Combined course- The International TEFL Corporation TESOL Combined Course ITTT has now received validation


So full validation wouldn't be available to an online course anyway?????

THen what are they talking about?

So here's the thing- a little investigation, and yet another cheap distance TEFL cert program begins to look a little dodgy. If you do a lot of investigation, it would start to look a lot dodgy.

Consider the following:

If you look at http://www.iatquo.org/FAQ.shtml#Where_can_I_find_the_list_of_schools_alr you can see that the IATQuO only validates three onsite course, and one online one.

THey compare themselves to Trinity college and Cambridge, but it's not clear that they do anything else at all. The reach and importance of Trinity would be considerably reduced if they only accredited TESOL courses, and only four of those, don't you think?

Have another shot-

ITTT's website says:

Quote:
All ITTT online certificate courses are externally moderated and accredited by IATQuO (International Accreditation of TESOL Qualifying Organisations).


At http://www.tesolcourse.com/affiliations.php

How does that line up with what IATQuO said on their website? (Already quoted above.

I'm getting tired of being the grumpy old man of TEFL online. Look around before you decide.

But remember. If it seems too cheap, too easy, too simple to be a legitimate educational qualification, it is.

Don't spend your money on people who can't get their stories straight.


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Justin
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spiffy



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I do agree with you, they should have more accurate information on their website, and it is quite a turn off to me that they don't. But arn't all the online courses pretty much the same? I remember seeing similar things in SeriousTEFLs FAQ section. One thing comes to mind that they say ESL schools do not care at all if your tefl cert is 60 hrs or 100 hrs which according to the general opinion on here is absolute rubbish. Also, isn't a partially accredited course better than one that isn't even that? Sad truth probably is that all these online tesol programs are a bit dodgy but they are the only thing that can suit me and budget.

Anyway, as SeriousTefl is not 100 hours its pretty much out of the question... Do you, or anyone have any other recommendations? I've looked through other posts on here but so far ITTT seem to be the best. What I'm really looking for is a cheap and easy 100hr online course that could be used to apply for visas in countries that require a teaching cert. I've already been teaching for over 3 years so practical experience isn't important for me.
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Spiffy,

I am currently undertaking the 100 online TEFL course with ITTT (with a tutor). The whole course cost me about AUD $480. As you may already know, there are 20 units, each covering a different subject. I am currently up to unit 12. For me, it has been great so far. I am currently in my last semester of my 3 year economics degree as well as working two part time jobs, so I find the flexibility great. I would really recommend you pay the extra money and get a tutor, I am so glad I did as I think the feedback you get is important. I really don�t think the idea of sitting an �exam� without having feedback along the way is a good idea.

For each unit your tutor will email you a PDF file (usually consisting of around 12 or so pages of reading per unit) and then you will have a work sheet to complete, there are usually around 8 or 9 questions per work sheet and one work sheet per unit. Once completed, you email the worksheet back to your tutor and you will get feedback within 24 hours. The questions are quite comprehensive and are required to be answered in detail. As it is a 100 hour course this allocates 5 hours per unit. I have so far averaged around 3 hours per unit, give or take. I have found the work challenging, however I feel that it has all been really relevant and I hope it will come in useful.

My personal opinion, which I think is shared by many people on Dave�s, is that without the 6 hours teaching component, this course will of course not be regarded by employers as highly as a course that does. However, I personally didn�t need a TEFL certificate to get a teaching job in China. I chose to take the course for my own personal development as I want to prepare myself as much as possible before starting in August, and one of the 4 week TEFL programs wouldn�t fit into my life at this point in time.

Hope this helps!!
Cheers.
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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok I do agree with you, they should have more accurate information on their website, and it is quite a turn off to me that they don't. But arn't all the online courses pretty much the same?


Yep. I do agree that they're all pretty much the same. I don't have direct experience with any of them, and some posters who do may share more details, or may even know of one or two that aren't "the same."

I guess my advice would be to save up for a real course. Not just because courses like these don't meet the minimum requirements. But because they demonstrably misrepresent themselves.

If they demonstrably misrepresent themselves on their own website, what else are they capable of? What qualifications do their trainers have? Are the tutors teachers at all, or are they all in a call center in Southern Asia? I really don't know the answers, but am hesitant to do business with people who don't do straight answers.


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Sad truth probably is that all these online tesol programs are a bit dodgy but they are the only thing that can suit me and budget.


Understood. But I've got to ask- any way your budget could be adjusted? Most onsite programs can be had for the price of less than six weeks waiting tables.

If instead you go with one of the online options you've mentioned, then you'll be contributing money to those who muddy the waters of this already muddy thing called teaching EFL, helping for them to pay for more advertising to mislead more people...Your call. I just wish you wouldn't.



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Also, isn't a partially accredited course better than one that isn't even that?


The one you were looking at, 100 hours without tutor support, isn't even that. It's only the 100 hour WITH tutor course that IATQuO recognises.

Not that I have any evidence that IATQuO is an accreditor that proves much.

Cherrytop hit it on the head. WHere he or she is going, you don't need a cert to get a job. Make sure this is true wherever you want to go. Because places that need a cert, the one you're looking at it probably won't cut it.

But if you don't need a cert, well...why not save your money until you can get a real one.


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Justin
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fladude



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a name like ITTT, I think it's a joke.

TTT is a legal smear for third tier toilet used to insult people who went to low ranked law schools / diploma mills. Someone probably thought they were being clever with that name.

Although that said, I "think" China accepts online TESOL classes in at least some of the institutions. So if you are going to China and nowhere else it might be ok.
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 5:57 am    Post subject: Tesol/TEFL Reply with quote

In Korea this 100 hr online course gets you 100,000 more won a year and puts you in a category 1 if you have 2 yrs teaching experience with programs like GEPIK, EPIK And the like.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In Korea this 100 hr online course gets you 100,000 more won a year and puts you in a category 1


I don't know what category one means- I'm not that aquainted with Korean organisations, though I've worked there a little.

But 100000 won a YEAR? Is that a typo? if not, it's a joke. That's less than a hundred dollars at todays rates. Why in heaven's name would you do a certificate for less than $10 a month??????


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Chancellor



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:
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In Korea this 100 hr online course gets you 100,000 more won a year and puts you in a category 1


I don't know what category one means- I'm not that aquainted with Korean organisations, though I've worked there a little.

But 100000 won a YEAR? Is that a typo? if not, it's a joke. That's less than a hundred dollars at todays rates. Why in heaven's name would you do a certificate for less than $10 a month??????


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Justin
About US$100 more a year than not having any certification?
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BenE



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*sigh. Every time I log on to Dave's I see another post with some other TEFL course professed to be the greatest thing ever and you don't even need to do any teaching!!

Come on people get some common sense. 120 hours of teaching from an instructor and 6 hours assessed teaching is key here. Anything else and qutie honestly you are insulting anyone who pays money to be taught by you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anything else and qutie honestly you are insulting anyone who pays money to be taught by you.


Thank you BenE.


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ESL Hobo



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took the ITTT course 2 years ago and it has helped me to get 2 jobs that I wouldn't have been considered for otherwise. I have a BA degree and
20 + years experience but not having a TEFL certificate was holding me back.

I did the online course without a tutor and it really helped. The first job I got with it required a TEFL certificate and even though it is only a 100 hour certificate it got me the job.

Of course having a CELTA or doing a fully fledged TEFL on campus would have been better (but there is no way I could afford it), I took the course for $300 bucks online and it was worth every penny of it.

Also, at any time in the future I can go to Thailand and add the 20 hours onto it by doing the teacher practicum part, and they will upgrade my Certificate to 120 hours.

So don't be put off by what people say who haven't done the course with ITTT and have no first hand experience using their Certificate.

If you're a guy on a budget, I'd say go for it!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad it was helpful to you, Hobo.

How do you feel about the fact that they misrepresent themselves on their website?

For me, the fact that they demonstrably aren't straightforward in their advertising doesn't make me want to spend money on them.

Even if they worked for you.


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Justin
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