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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello? Hello? maniac? Test for echo...hello? Laughing

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK I am getting (double "t", right?) very very irritated (double "r", right?) of all these corrections. Be as prescriptive as you want to be but I lean towards a Steven Krashen (Affective Filter Hypothesis) approach (double "p", right?). I want to create a less stressful class. Why heck I don't even mind if you have A beer before class if that's what it takes to lower your filter. (not applicable in Saudi)

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to see a teacher who can spell and who doesn't mind checking with others whether he got it right or not Wink.

I'm all for a lowered Affective Filter, but I don't see what this has to do with correct use of the language. A focus on accuracy, when appropriate, only gets my students sitting up, tuning in. They want corrections, but they also know that they won't always get it. Some students complain when they are not corrected: "My teacha no colect me. My teacha razy" Very Happy (Yesterday, one told me that she's moving to Merboulon Laughing.)

Don't forget that everyone learns in a different way. Some students have learning styles that simply won't be satisfied by only being able to get a message across, be understood or communicate.

Striving for communicative accuracy is not the same as being prescriptive. Forcing "grammar rules" down people's throats which are contrary to what is actually allowed in the language = prescriptive, e.g. the silly some/any rules commonly found in course and grammar books. Spelling commonly-used words right and knowing when nouns and verbs need that notorious 's' are important, IMO. And I repeat: IMO. I know that many have a different take on this. More power to ya! Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WHAT ON EARTH???

Hey Johnslat, are reading this?

What is going on here? I was waiting for the echo, too. But maniacally speaking, mainly, the man just vanished like a will-o'-the-wisp.

Are English teachers getting mad that they have to spell correctly or am I bypassing a kind of labyrinthine friendship here in my effort to differentiate betwixt sarcasm and honest-to-goodness thinly-disguised malice?

Az four misteaks, Eye'll taik 3 well-done and one medium rair.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:05 pm    Post subject: kau Reply with quote

what are the students like at KAU?

is the program divided into skills? ie: reading/writing/speaking class

is there any problems leaving the country when the students are away?

in practice, how much time off on holidays do you get?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: kaau Reply with quote

i assume this is the King Abdul Azziz University thread? No?

Anyone working there that could answer the above questions?

Very Happy Smile Sad Surprised Shocked Confused Cool Laughing Mad Razz Embarassed Crying or Very sad Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Dear trapezius,
Hold on there, old man. You're not from the USA or the UK, are you? If not, you have absolutely NO right to show the world how much you know.
That's reserved ONLY for us.
Regards,
John the very much knowing


You forgot us all k-n-owe-ing Canuks John.

But seriously if you have to correct mistakes on this forum instead of addressing the issues that have been presented, patronizingly or not, then you have to get a life. We are not English teachers (Coleridge, Keats, Wordsworth), we are English teachers, presentation-practice-production. This applies to our students not our colleageus. My wife is a TEFL teacher and she doesn't have the perfect native speaker accent but the students understand the words that are coming out of her mouth and she can help them prescriptively also. I don't follow her and correct every single grammer mistake she does (no supper for me if I do), I just repeat the sentence correctly and she picks out the difference.

We are the teachers and my professor always told us that he could make mistakes but we couldn't. So let's leave it at that and move on. Or else...............

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

12 Monkeys wrote:
But seriously if you have to correct mistakes on this forum instead of addressing the issues that have been presented, patronizingly or not, then you have to get a life.


I liked it more when you took the kinder gentler approach... But can I say that I did address the issues and my highlighting of mistakes was intended to tie in with this?

12 Monkeys wrote:
We are not English teachers (Coleridge, Keats, Wordsworth), we are English teachers, presentation-practice-production.


Agreed, but keep in mind that we have different ways of doing things in class.

12 Monkeys wrote:
My wife is a TEFL teacher and she doesn't have the perfect native speaker accent


Nor do I. Whatever that is these days Wink.

12 Monkeys wrote:
We are the teachers and my professor always told us that he could make mistakes but we couldn't. So let's leave it at that and move on. Or else...............


Point taken. Yes, let's do that.

OP: apologies to you Embarassed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: kaau Reply with quote

tvik wrote:
i assume this is the King Abdul Azziz University thread? No?

Anyone working there that could answer the above questions?

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Sorry, tvik, this thread has been hijacked a bit. Embarassed

Have you had a look at this lengthy thread: http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=70499&sid=0ef69d5be3a15497bbfac7a9834c1c0c ?

I didn't read through it again, but if I remember correctly, some who work/worked at KAAU posted on there. Have a look if you haven't already and try summoning them here or PMing them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pikgitina wrote:

Point taken. Yes, let's do that.

OP: apologies to you Embarassed.

That's quite nice of you, Pikitina, but I do believe that the OP has taken a powder! Shocked



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
get a life


That's not very 'nice' or 'gentle', is it? Or does your advice apply to everybody except to you?

Or perhaps this will make you happier:

Thats not very 'nice' or 'gentle', is it. Or doe's you're advise aply to every body accept too you.

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