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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Hello? Hello? maniac? Test for echo...hello?
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12 Monkeys
Joined: 06 Apr 2009 Posts: 82 Location: paradise lost
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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OK I am getting (double "t", right?) very very irritated (double "r", right?) of all these corrections. Be as prescriptive as you want to be but I lean towards a Steven Krashen (Affective Filter Hypothesis) approach (double "p", right?). I want to create a less stressful class. Why heck I don't even mind if you have A beer before class if that's what it takes to lower your filter. (not applicable in Saudi)
Cornelius of the chimpanzee BA Eng. Lit. + TESL, TEIL |
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Pikgitina
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 420 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:17 am Post subject: |
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Good to see a teacher who can spell and who doesn't mind checking with others whether he got it right or not .
I'm all for a lowered Affective Filter, but I don't see what this has to do with correct use of the language. A focus on accuracy, when appropriate, only gets my students sitting up, tuning in. They want corrections, but they also know that they won't always get it. Some students complain when they are not corrected: "My teacha no colect me. My teacha razy" (Yesterday, one told me that she's moving to Merboulon .)
Don't forget that everyone learns in a different way. Some students have learning styles that simply won't be satisfied by only being able to get a message across, be understood or communicate.
Striving for communicative accuracy is not the same as being prescriptive. Forcing "grammar rules" down people's throats which are contrary to what is actually allowed in the language = prescriptive, e.g. the silly some/any rules commonly found in course and grammar books. Spelling commonly-used words right and knowing when nouns and verbs need that notorious 's' are important, IMO. And I repeat: IMO. I know that many have a different take on this. More power to ya!  |
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eclectic
Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 1122
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:25 am Post subject: |
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WHAT ON EARTH???
Hey Johnslat, are reading this?
What is going on here? I was waiting for the echo, too. But maniacally speaking, mainly, the man just vanished like a will-o'-the-wisp.
Are English teachers getting mad that they have to spell correctly or am I bypassing a kind of labyrinthine friendship here in my effort to differentiate betwixt sarcasm and honest-to-goodness thinly-disguised malice?
Az four misteaks, Eye'll taik 3 well-done and one medium rair. |
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tvik
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 371 Location: here
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:05 pm Post subject: kau |
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what are the students like at KAU?
is the program divided into skills? ie: reading/writing/speaking class
is there any problems leaving the country when the students are away?
in practice, how much time off on holidays do you get? |
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tvik
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 371 Location: here
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: kaau |
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i assume this is the King Abdul Azziz University thread? No?
Anyone working there that could answer the above questions?
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12 Monkeys
Joined: 06 Apr 2009 Posts: 82 Location: paradise lost
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Dear trapezius,
Hold on there, old man. You're not from the USA or the UK, are you? If not, you have absolutely NO right to show the world how much you know.
That's reserved ONLY for us.
Regards,
John the very much knowing |
You forgot us all k-n-owe-ing Canuks John.
But seriously if you have to correct mistakes on this forum instead of addressing the issues that have been presented, patronizingly or not, then you have to get a life. We are not English teachers (Coleridge, Keats, Wordsworth), we are English teachers, presentation-practice-production. This applies to our students not our colleageus. My wife is a TEFL teacher and she doesn't have the perfect native speaker accent but the students understand the words that are coming out of her mouth and she can help them prescriptively also. I don't follow her and correct every single grammer mistake she does (no supper for me if I do), I just repeat the sentence correctly and she picks out the difference.
We are the teachers and my professor always told us that he could make mistakes but we couldn't. So let's leave it at that and move on. Or else...............
Cornelius of the clan of chimpanzee, beater of keyboards, smasher of monitors, eater of bananas |
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Pikgitina
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 420 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| 12 Monkeys wrote: |
| But seriously if you have to correct mistakes on this forum instead of addressing the issues that have been presented, patronizingly or not, then you have to get a life. |
I liked it more when you took the kinder gentler approach... But can I say that I did address the issues and my highlighting of mistakes was intended to tie in with this?
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| We are not English teachers (Coleridge, Keats, Wordsworth), we are English teachers, presentation-practice-production. |
Agreed, but keep in mind that we have different ways of doing things in class.
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| My wife is a TEFL teacher and she doesn't have the perfect native speaker accent |
Nor do I. Whatever that is these days .
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| We are the teachers and my professor always told us that he could make mistakes but we couldn't. So let's leave it at that and move on. Or else............... |
Point taken. Yes, let's do that.
OP: apologies to you . |
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Pikgitina
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 420 Location: KSA
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:11 am Post subject: Re: kaau |
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| tvik wrote: |
i assume this is the King Abdul Azziz University thread? No?
Anyone working there that could answer the above questions?
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Sorry, tvik, this thread has been hijacked a bit.
Have you had a look at this lengthy thread: http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=70499&sid=0ef69d5be3a15497bbfac7a9834c1c0c ?
I didn't read through it again, but if I remember correctly, some who work/worked at KAAU posted on there. Have a look if you haven't already and try summoning them here or PMing them. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Point taken. Yes, let's do that.
OP: apologies to you .
That's quite nice of you, Pikitina, but I do believe that the OP has taken a powder!
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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: |
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That's not very 'nice' or 'gentle', is it? Or does your advice apply to everybody except to you?
Or perhaps this will make you happier:
Thats not very 'nice' or 'gentle', is it. Or doe's you're advise aply to every body accept too you.
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