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naturegirl321
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 Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:26 am Post subject: When will English fade as the "world language"? |
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There was a post on the CHina off topic forum about the rise and fall of the English language.
Eventually English has to fall as the worl language. Right now we are at a peak, thankfully, and I love teaching English.
Spanish is the language in South and Central America and is quickly gaining ground in America.
Canada has English and French.
French and English are in Africa.
Chinese is in a lot of Asia.
Europe has lots of languages.
Australia and New Zealand have English.
When do you think English will fall and what will be the next world language?
I think it might be Chinese in 50 some years.
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khmerhit
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 1:39 am Post subject: |
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Khnyom ot dong bayna pisaa Awngklay slap rooit. Mien menu chaeran nye la'ah pisa Awngklay, pisaa Barang, pisaa Chinee. Brahail pisaa Kampuchea mau pisaa thom chap chap, brahil ot. Ot dong Naturegirl!
Aw kun charan!
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Atlas
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 2:24 am Post subject: |
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English may be superceded as a world language when its greatest contributions (to economy, science, technology, etc) are made obsolete or irrelevent by revolutions in other human endeavor (from another culture). I know I'm biased but it doesn't seem so likely to me.
But I hope the next world language is SEVEN 3 ! Because you can keep your ethnic language and still communicate with other countries. It's a universal auxiliary language....
http://seven3.modblog.com |
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Wolf
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| It won't be soon. And, English will remain a major world langauge studied by others for quite some time, I'm sure. For English to be irrelevant, the combined populations, economies, and military power (sigh it's still true) of the English speaking world would have to be irrelevant. That'll take a while, no? |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| khmerhit wrote: |
Khnyom ot dong bayna pisaa Awngklay slap rooit. Mien menu chaeran nye la'ah pisa Awngklay, pisaa Barang, pisaa Chinee. Brahail pisaa Kampuchea mau pisaa thom chap chap, brahil ot. Ot dong Naturegirl!
Aw kun charan!
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Mark-O
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 8:59 am Post subject: |
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In short, on exactly the same day as hell freezes over.
Sad but true ... |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:35 am Post subject: |
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No doubt there WILL come a day when English will be superseded as the world language. Doubtless the Romans never thought Latin would one day be a dead language...
However, I agree that it won't be any time soon: certainly not in any of our lifetimes, and possibly well beyond. What will replace it? The obvious candidate now would be Chinese, or maybe Sapanish, but who knows what can happen over the course of the next decades or centuries? |
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Roger
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2004 10:40 am Post subject: |
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English is already on the way out in Asia - in some parts of East Asia it is being replaced by Chinglish, in Malaysia and Singapore by Englasian - just ask Nury Vittachi ...
Some Asians seem to be overeager to distance themselves from Native English as spoken by white Oceanians, perhaps? |
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Capergirl
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As soon as another country usurps the U.S. as the global superpower, we will see things change. My prediction? What Mark-O said.  |
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Shaman
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struelle
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| English is already on the way out in Asia - in some parts of East Asia it is being replaced by Chinglish, in Malaysia and Singapore by Englasian - just ask Nury Vittachi ... |
Hi Roger, don't know if you saw the post, but in another thread I asked how this may affect your career plans. Surely you've considered this, right? With as much experience as you've got here, you'd have no problem making a career move (even within the broad scope of EFL in China)
The cowboy English that we see in China may be on the way out, but the market looks like it's moving towards ESP, or should be say EST (English for specific Tests). I only see demand increasing in future for TOEFL and IELTS tests as students want to study overseas.
Also, many universities outside of English-speaking countries run programs entirely in English. They have prep schools to get their English up to speed where teachers can work. Combine this with the above: Students need to take IELTS first to get admitted (don't need such a high score, mind you), then they do a year in an English prep school.
China has barely begun to build these types of programs, especially bilingual education in universities and prep schools. So there's much hope here.
I agree with your other posts about how Chinese educators don't take us seriously as teachers and we function more as their pet laowai. Combine a lack of professionalism with both employer and employee, and it's like teaching in a monkey house. This kind of market can't last.
But I've always wondered this, and I'm sure others have too: Why do you keep working in the types of jobs and conditions you do now, when your qualifications and experience can get you better jobs?
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Lanza-Armonia
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I'll forth what that marky guys said and I'll stick me lickle stamp on it as well. Although there are other great languages in the world (French, Spanish, Chinese and the like) you are still gunna find more English speakers than any other language on this planet. I've had people tell me that Chinese is the dominant language. Well, they can't understand wach other, let alone try and study the thing. And being that the language is SOOOOO primative.....what's to say? If anyone wants to fight over this one, PM me with an army...
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fat_chris
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2004 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Roger wrote: |
English is already on the way out in Asia - in some parts of East Asia it is being replaced by Chinglish, in Malaysia and Singapore by Englasian - just ask Nury Vittachi ...
Some Asians seem to be overeager to distance themselves from Native English as spoken by white Oceanians, perhaps? |
I thought Singlish was the big language in Singapore. |
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dmb
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| I am singlish on a Friday night after too many beers |
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arioch36
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| I've had people tell me that Chinese is the dominant language. Well, they can't understand wach other, let alone try and study the thing. |
Which is why they have to use "pinyin" (roman letters) to teach children to say the say words
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| I am singlish on a Friday night after too many beers |
Well, it seems farting works well. Have you tried eating beans before drinking, and sitting next to that special someone?
You would think Arabic should be on the rise. I don't think English will lose ground because too many people are making money on it...the school owners, certain government officials, etc. Universities around the world are set up for english as the "world" language.
I like Spanish because it cetainly seems the easiest language to speak as a native American (US). But Spain, Mexico just don't have the econonomic might. |
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