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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:06 am    Post subject: No respect for freelancers? Reply with quote

I-ve been freelancing for the last year and a half, basically because I-m a local hire, I get offered a third of what expats get. And it gets annoying when expats straight out of uni are getting more than me when I-ve got an MA, six years experience and three NJ certs in education, but that-s the way things are.

Problem is now that I-m trying to leave Peru, it seems like employers really don-t care much for freelancers. Which also stinks because I-ve learned A LOT about curriculum development and motivation during this past year and a half.

So I think I need to change my CV, and instead of "freelance" put something else, I just can-t figure out what. Any suggestions?
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mister tom



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

with your expertise maybe you should be looking for consultancy work - call yourself a consultant and ask for an appropriate fee - 100euro an hour minimum here in ireland

maybe some of the more experienced members could comment on this

tom
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, I-d love that, here in Peru while I work for top companies and embassies, it seems like the more people many, the stingier they are.

BUT I mean, I wish I could say that I work for X company, instead of just freelancing, but I don-t know how I could do that. Unless I set up a company, anyone else inthe same position_
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: No respect for freelancers? Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
Problem is now that I-m trying to leave Peru, it seems like employers really don-t care much for freelancers.
What do you mean? You have to apply for a work visa in another country, don't you? What sort of problems have you experienced when applying for other work?

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So I think I need to change my CV, and instead of "freelance" put something else, I just can-t figure out what. Any suggestions?
Consultant? Educator. Teacher.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than freelance, I'd list teachng English in the top companies and embassies- and one of your students in each to agree to act as a reference.

Cause the thing is, as a "hirer," I don't pay a lot of attention to "private teaching" experience, because it's mostly unverifiable. Which means, for all I know, you may have made it up.

If you list who employed you, and have references to prove it, the trouble goes away in a lot of cases.

Best,
Justin


PS- when you come to Ecuador, we'll take you and the bro out for dinner!
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:
Rather than freelance, I'd list teachng English in the top companies and embassies- and one of your students in each to agree to act as a reference.
Cause the thing is, as a "hirer," I don't pay a lot of attention to "private teaching" experience, because it's mostly unverifiable. Which means, for all I know, you may have made it up.
If you list who employed you, and have references to prove it, the trouble goes away in a lot of cases.
Best,
Justin
PS- when you come to Ecuador, we'll take you and the bro out for dinner!

Do you mean list each individual company or embassy? Or just write like X embassy / Y bank, all together in one?

I actually was refused a reference, and they never gave me a reason, maybe due to security? It was the ambassador/s daughter. They don-t want to be my reference Sad

So you-re right. I could have made all this up, all this time and no refs. I-ll take your advice.

Hey, thanks for the dinner invite. We should be there in October, I-m hoping to drag my husband with me, will you still be there in Oct?
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dirimini



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: No respect for freelancers? Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
I-ve been freelancing for the last year and a half, basically because I-m a local hire, I get offered a third of what expats get. And it gets annoying when expats straight out of uni are getting more than me when I-ve got an MA, six years experience and three NJ certs in education, but that-s the way things are.


Excuse the newbie questions, please - but I'm confused. Are you saying that you get a third of the pay for the same work? That's a massive discrepancy.

You are a US citizen - but considered a local hire?
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Teacher in Rome



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd write one heading, such as Freelance teacher, and give your dates. Under, I'd list some of the more prestigious companies I'd freelanced for, and rather than just saying "taught general English / business English" write something more interesting that showed specific or quantifiable achievements:
"Coached C-level executives to deliver stunning presentations"
"Designed, wrote and delivered 100-hour course, adopted company-wide"
"Mentored management trainees to improve cultural and communication skills"

If you're going to position yourself as a consultant, it really helps to have a profile on www.LinkedIn.com. Write a decent bio, and start reaching out to ex-students, colleagues etc for recommendations. You can also join professional groups, contribute to their discussions and so on, to enhance your professional profile. If people are reluctant to write you formal references, they may be more willing to write a personal recommendation on linkedin - worth a shot, anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: No respect for freelancers? Reply with quote

dirimini wrote:
Excuse the newbie questions, please - but I'm confused. Are you saying that you get a third of the pay for the same work? That's a massive discrepancy.

You are a US citizen - but considered a local hire?


yep, that's right. Becuase I'm already in Peru, I get a third of what expats get. Before I had a visa due to marriage, and still got offered a third. NOw I'm a citizen, not that that matters, since I don't include that info on my CV.

Even when I was in Korea and got hired at an intl schooo, because I had a valid Peru residency visa, I got local hire pay and no flights.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teacher in Rome wrote:
I'd write one heading, such as Freelance teacher, and give your dates. Under, I'd list some of the more prestigious companies I'd freelanced for, and rather than just saying "taught general English / business English" write something more interesting that showed specific or quantifiable achievements:
"Coached C-level executives to deliver stunning presentations"
"Designed, wrote and delivered 100-hour course, adopted company-wide"
"Mentored management trainees to improve cultural and communication skills"

If you're going to position yourself as a consultant, it really helps to have a profile on www.LinkedIn.com. Write a decent bio, and start reaching out to ex-students, colleagues etc for recommendations. You can also join professional groups, contribute to their discussions and so on, to enhance your professional profile. If people are reluctant to write you formal references, they may be more willing to write a personal recommendation on linkedin - worth a shot, anyway.


Hey, thanks for the advice. Though, honestly, I mainly just teach reading, phonics and writing to primary children. I had a maths class, but I got dropped as a teacher. Guess I was too good, he raised his test scores from 0 to about 85 percent, so he doesn't need help anymore. Smile And one class once a week doing ALL primary subject, SS , Science, etc.

And I have one adult, that I teach banking English to. Though I HAVE designed curriculums, parents seem to want them changed a lot. LIke one told me that I should bring worksheets, so I did, then she complained that I was using them. Guess she just wanted me to use the book, go figure. Though your third thing
"Mentored management trainees to improve cultural and communication skills"
seems like something I could use on my CV.

Linked might be a possibility, but I get a lot of " my English is too poor" from the parents. Hopefully I'll only be freelancing for a bit more.
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ESL Hobo



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi NG,

I have been freelancing for a few years.
On my resume I put:
ESL Teacher
Self Employed


I list the places I have worked freelancing but since it's a resume not a detailed CV, I didn't list any phone numbers addresses, or references.
It's just to show them I have been busy, I provide professional references from other sources.
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dirimini



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:49 am    Post subject: Re: No respect for freelancers? Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
dirimini wrote:
Excuse the newbie questions, please - but I'm confused. Are you saying that you get a third of the pay for the same work? That's a massive discrepancy.

You are a US citizen - but considered a local hire?


yep, that's right. Becuase I'm already in Peru, I get a third of what expats get. Before I had a visa due to marriage, and still got offered a third. NOw I'm a citizen, not that that matters, since I don't include that info on my CV.

Even when I was in Korea and got hired at an intl schooo, because I had a valid Peru residency visa, I got local hire pay and no flights.


OK, so...when does an "expat" become a "local hire"? Maybe I'm just not getting it. Is it because of your marital status, or the length of time you've been there or...?

You must be a far, far more sanguine type than I am, because knowing I was making that much less than my colleagues would make me furious. And I'm sure it would show.
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Laurence



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@dirimini:

'local hire' means that the person was hired when they were living locally, rather than an overseas hire, where employees are residing abroad at the time of hire. Local hires will often be inelligible for flight reimbursement and perhaps other benefits too, and are often paid a smaller salary too.

I think the idea is that some of the salary is intended to support relocating and adjusting to new climes, and that people already 'in country' don't need it, and that since their 'home' is the local country, they don't need money for flights either.

Not saying that I think that's kosher,
just explaining the logic.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not defending the (bigoted, intolerant, idiotic) idea about expat vs local hire either, but Laurence explains it very well.

A lot of organisations have policies under which an expat who decides they would like to stay more than a certain period (usually 2 or 4 years) then is considered a local hire.

It probably isn't a great policy.

But the other side of it is- "expats" or employees who will be in the country for a fixed, short period of time can usually be hired under short term contract conditions, which may be well paid, but carry many less statutory benefits. Some situations allow them to be hired under cultural education visas, which means they are nearly tax free.

Whereas for a local employee, whether actually from Ecuador (where I work) or merely married to one, anyone at all who's on a visa not dependent on their work, there are a lot of benefit requirements, including full taxation and social security contributions, paid vacation, high levels of severance pay, which must be set aside in a fund...

Overall, an expat employee costs the employer, under Ecuadorian law, the total of theirv salary and benefits.

A local hire is going to cost somewhere around 150% to 200% of their salary and benefits.

THis does NOT excuse the discriminatory practices of some schools, but it does go a way towards explaining how they evolved.

Best,
Justin
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dirimini



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin and Laurence, thanks very much for the clarification.

From your explanations, I guess it makes bottom-line financial sense for the employer; but I can't imagine that the cost in lost productivity due to low staff morale is negligible. Or maybe I'm missing something.

And as you've described it, the system seems to be designed to encourage (rather than discourage) teachers' leaving after short periods. I mean, if I realize that after three years in a country, my salary is going to go down, why stay?
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