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JJ1137



Joined: 01 Jul 2009
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Location: Thailand

PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: Job market in Taiwan Reply with quote

I am traveling with three of my friends and we are currently in Thailand teaching. We want to go to Taiwan and have been talking to people from there. We have heard some mixed reviews about the job market over there. Please tell us what you know about getting a job in Taiwan currently? We are American and we all have experience, degrees and some have TEFL training. Can you please help us? Any information is appreciated.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:01 am    Post subject: Re: Job market in Taiwan Reply with quote

JJ1137 wrote:
I am traveling with three of my friends and we are currently in Thailand teaching. We want to go to Taiwan and have been talking to people from there. We have heard some mixed reviews about the job market over there. Please tell us what you know about getting a job in Taiwan currently? We are American and we all have experience, degrees and some have TEFL training. Can you please help us? Any information is appreciated.
If you can line up a job before coming, then by all means, go for it, but otherwise, I'd say wait it out. I've handed out a bunch of resumes, made a ton of phone calls, and so far only gotten two interview offers, and that's with CELTA, a linguistics-related degree, and about 1.5 years of experience in Korea. I had a good interview the other day but don't know how I did yet. I know I was competing with many, many people. Most people didn't make it to interview.

I know if I try a more desperate area (someone on here suggested Miao Li) I'll probably find SOMETHING, but there's no saying whether it'll be any good or not.

Lots of people in addition to me are having the same problem. It's not a teachers' market!

I suspect that if you wait about a month to come, you'll have much better luck. A ton of the schools that I've called have said "we don't have any positions right now, but we will have one in August/September."

Actually, it would be a great time to hire people to teach in August or September since the visa process takes a month, but most schools don't plan ahead that far.
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jessankney



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too am struggling to find a position. My husband and I are Americans with TESOL certification. We've been in touch with Reach-to-Teach, but aren't having any luck with openings. Good luck to you both, and update as you find out more. Thanks
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jessankney



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too am struggling to find a position. My husband and I are Americans with TESOL certification. We've been in touch with Reach-to-Teach, but aren't having any luck with openings. Good luck to you both, and update as you find out more. Thanks
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Old Surrender



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife and I are hoping the economy will pick up after she graduates in December. We want to land gigs in January. Let's pray that a lot of Christmas gifts will bear the words "Made in Taiwan." Wink

Is there a mid-year semester change in Taiwan like in the U.S. that will lead to some people switching jobs?
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Modest Mouse



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Location: Taiwan

PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Job market in Taiwan Reply with quote

The job market in Taiwan is very bad now. A lot of teachers are resigning their yearly contracts (even if it's not the greatest job) because there aren't many jobs to be found.

I'm an American with a BA, TESOL (from a well-known Univ.) and a year of experience in Taipei and I am severely regretting not resigning my contract like my friends did because now I can't find a job.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an interview with Hess the day before yesterday. It seemed like a good interview and the interviewer said "I'm going to check to see if they can get an answer to you as soon as possible because we have training starting on Monday and maybe we can get you in," but haven't heard anything back yet and it's Thursday afternoon now. Although that particular line that he trotted out sounded promising, I doubt I got the job because they'd probably be notifying me by now if they expected me to do Monday training.

The job situation here sucks. Degree and a pulse? My ass. I have CELTA and 1.5 years of experience, but haven't found anything yet beyond a crappy part-time gig on the weekends for a rate so low, I'm ashamed to quote it. And nobody who's going to sponsor an ARC.

I really hope I can work for Hess. However, I would not recommend that anyone come over here right now. The country itself seems promising and much more foreigner-friendly than Korea, but with a flood of thousands of college graduates from English-speaking countries, it's definitely saturated.

Just out of curiosity, is the situation in Japan better or worse than Taiwan? Not that I can go to Japan right now, but I'm just curious which one is harder.
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dangerousapple



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schools generally only care about in-Taiwan teaching experience. Any experience from other countries tends to be disregarded. It might help you get through your training period faster, but it won't get you any more money. The same goes with a CELTA.


There is also a definite bias against hiring teachers who have previous experience from Japan / Korea, as those teachers are often seen as high-maintenance, expecting to be taken care of (airfare reimbursement, housing subsidies, etc) at a level that most schools here don't feel comfortable providing.

Sorry if this sounds offensive, but that's how it is here.
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gemcxx



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

I have been researching teaching in Taiwan and reading blogs, lurking here reading threads. So far this thread has presented the most dire situation for the teaching market. I just read a thread on formusa and several posters in the last 3 days suggested an american would still easily find a job. I have a few questions about your comments.

I appreciate your honesty in this thread, but is the job market really that terrible or do you just not have the highest qualifications... who is getting hired?

Rooster_2006, Modest Mouse, jessankney.... Do you have 4 year undergrad degrees? Are you under 30 years of age and caucasion?

I am thinking about coming over... I am 27yo canadian, caucasion, 4 year business degree, 4 years working experience including bay street and wall street experience.

Thanks so much!
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BigWally



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All your job experience doesn't mean squat to be quite honest. The only things they are going to look at is your skin colour and your degree. Then they'll take a listen to your accent, if its North American (preferrably Canadian) and if they like it you should be able to find work.
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Solar Strength



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Location: Bangkok, Thailand

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The job market for English teachers is horrible at the moment in Japan and Taiwan.

Lots of teachers can't find decent work.

Your looks are important.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YES!!! YES!!! YESSS!!!

I GOT A JOB WITH HESS!

Now I can say, smugly and arrogantly, "I found a job, so I don't understand why other people are having such problems."

After years of working under the table in Korea for peanuts, I can finally make 560 NTD an hour right out in the open with a visa and everything!
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gemcxx wrote:
Hi all,

I have been researching teaching in Taiwan and reading blogs, lurking here reading threads. So far this thread has presented the most dire situation for the teaching market. I just read a thread on formusa and several posters in the last 3 days suggested an american would still easily find a job. I have a few questions about your comments.

I appreciate your honesty in this thread, but is the job market really that terrible or do you just not have the highest qualifications... who is getting hired?

Rooster_2006, Modest Mouse, jessankney.... Do you have 4 year undergrad degrees? Are you under 30 years of age and caucasion?

I am thinking about coming over... I am 27yo canadian, caucasion, 4 year business degree, 4 years working experience including bay street and wall street experience.

Thanks so much!
In answer to your question about my qualifications, I don't have a four-year degree, I have a two-year degree (which is linguistics-oriented with 26 credit hours in Asian languages alone, nearly half the degree, and my primary Area of Focus is Korean). My associate's degree transcript shows me as having studied introductory Chinese, introductory Japanese, and advanced Korean. I have CELTA and 1.5 years of teaching experience in Korea. I think it was the latter part that got me the job, because most of the interview questions were about how I'd handle various classroom catastrophes, and I was actually able to speak from experience. I am caucasian, but the interview was conducted over the telephone so they didn't see my face. I suppose they may have seen my picture, though. I am 22 (yup, been teaching English since I did my first teaching practice lesson for CELTA at the tender age of 20).

I think that a BIG part of it, as well as my experience, was that I was already in Taiwan. They actually rushed the approval process just so I could get into Monday training. That's what the interviewer said.

I hope this offer doesn't fall out from under me. I've had offers with mainland China do that before. I'll feel a lot better once the documents are submitted to immigration...

Folks might look at my case and say "well, if an AA holder can do it, anyone can do it." Think again. I still don't recommend people come to Taiwan now unless they have a really good plan. I just got lucky, I think. I may not have a BA, but my EFL resume is otherwise pretty strong, and I think I just barely squeaked by.
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CastleBrav0



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
In answer to your question about my qualifications, I don't have a four-year degree, I have a two-year degree (which is linguistics-oriented with 26 credit hours in Asian languages alone, nearly half the degree, and my primary Area of Focus is Korean). My associate's degree transcript shows me as having studied introductory Chinese, introductory Japanese, and advanced Korean. I have CELTA and 1.5 years of teaching experience in Korea. I think it was the latter part that got me the job, because most of the interview questions were about how I'd handle various classroom catastrophes, and I was actually able to speak from experience. I am caucasian, but the interview was conducted over the telephone so they didn't see my face. I suppose they may have seen my picture, though. I am 22 (yup, been teaching English since I did my first teaching practice lesson for CELTA at the tender age of 20).

I think that a BIG part of it, as well as my experience, was that I was already in Taiwan. They actually rushed the approval process just so I could get into Monday training. That's what the interviewer said.

I hope this offer doesn't fall out from under me. I've had offers with mainland China do that before. I'll feel a lot better once the documents are submitted to immigration...

Folks might look at my case and say "well, if an AA holder can do it, anyone can do it." Think again. I still don't recommend people come to Taiwan now unless they have a really good plan. I just got lucky, I think. I may not have a BA, but my EFL resume is otherwise pretty strong, and I think I just barely squeaked by.


Rooster, care to elaborate on what your interview was like? I'm going to be applying with Hess later this year and I'm looking for information on the types of questions they ask, as well as what you answered. Having no teaching experience, I don't really have any idea how to answer questions regarding the classroom. Knowing the types of questions they asked, and some tips on how you answered would be great. Smile
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steve_c



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
YES!!! YES!!! YESSS!!!

I GOT A JOB WITH HESS!

Now I can say, smugly and arrogantly, "I found a job, so I don't understand why other people are having such problems."

After years of working under the table in Korea for peanuts, I can finally make 560 NTD an hour right out in the open with a visa and everything!

I know you were starting to get a bit anxious. Congrats on the job!
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