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Van Norden



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To accept a job in Saudi you'd expect a significant salary/savings premium above what's on offer elsewhere. The premium that YOU demand depends on your qualifications/experience etc and how much you dislike living here. If you've got little bargaining power and you don't mind the repressed lifestyle then maybe IH is a feasible option.

What about NOCs? For those considering IH as a stepping stone to a better job in KSA you'd better make sure about this.
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gstieglit



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:37 pm    Post subject: thanks for the input Reply with quote

Yes, I am qualified -- MA Tesol and professional teaching Cert. And, of course, I would only go to Saudi for the money. I have worked in Asia and Mexico (present job) and I know very little about Saudi, so reading these posts have helped a lot. Thanks again.
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robertinarabia



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An MA means nothing in IH terms, they even advise MA holders not to apply unless they have significant practical experience, I guess they're afraid of the 'lazy old man syndrome'. IH wants poorly qualified teachers who will do what they are told for as long as they are told- their goal is high turnover with zero training, a bit like McDonald's if you like. Excellent IH teachers are frequently allowed just to leave with no effort made to keep them.
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Van Norden



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gstieglit, good news. I knew you'd be back!

With your specs there's no way you should be even glancing in the direction of an IH advert. You can do much better. Take your time and have a good look around. The streets aren't paved with gold here but if you play your cards right you could hit the jackpot.

I'm all out of cliches. Except maybe "the house always wins." IH, that is. How could they lose?

What is a 'professional teaching Cert?' Are you a qualified school teacher? Primary or Secondary?
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robertinarabia



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's right Van, the house always wins, not that their teachers benefit, their teachers are idealistic and don't rate money very highly apparently. They're fanatics only interested in building the Greater IH Reich in the Middle East. Idealistic fools led by greedy madmen ( who have their hands in the till).
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BillCowher



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:52 am    Post subject: To kevmar Reply with quote

You are in Japan so if you come to Saudi Arabia you better soak up looking at all those pretty girls because you won't see ANY girls or women here, pretty or otherwise, that are not dressed in a black potato sack from head to toe.

You can make $2500 in Korea & look at pretty girls, drink beer, get a DL, rent a car, go to the beach, go fishing, did I mention see girls & drink beer? If you want to be a bit illegal in Korea you can pick up planty of cash doing privates. In Saudi you would probably be illegal anyway since most people are here illegally on business visas.
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rigel



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Van Norden wrote:
....Take your time and have a good look around. The streets aren't paved with gold here but if you play your cards right you could hit the jackpot.

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I'd advise looking at as many job sites as possible or you'll be like some of us schmucks who've spent the past 5 months "having a good look around for the jackpot."

There aren't many good jobs out there to be had these days for those who expect to simply run into one on the net. A good job today is like a 20-dollar bill lying on the street. By the time you get to it, it's long gone.
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rigel



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: To kevmar Reply with quote

BillCowher wrote:
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You can make $2500 in Korea & look at pretty girls, drink beer, get a DL, rent a car, go to the beach, go fishing, did I mention see girls & drink beer? If you want to be a bit illegal in Korea you can pick up planty of cash doing privates. In Saudi you would probably be illegal anyway since most people are here illegally on business visas.


I just got an email from an SK recruiter that listed 44 jobs. Three were jobs teaching adults, while the rest were for jobs teaching bratty kids. About half of these were in hogwans. All the adult jobs were hogwans. And nowhere are the adult students bigger crybaby whiners than in South Korea. Nevertheless, it's a good place to work.

You may be able to make 2500 a month egitimately in SK, Coach Cowher. But realistically, you'll be pulling in about 1800-2000. I'm talking about the average white person who goes there, discovers he can't get permission to do privates, and obeys by NOT giving them on the side. Break the rules and you could make over 3000 a month.

If I ever go back there to work, I'm going full-bore and giving privates on the side no matter what. This is because I know how hard it is to find a job there. If you played by the rules while working there at previous gigs, it won't matter. You'll be sitting on the sidelines with the rule breakers just the same if you don't want to teach kids. One should grab while his grabbing is good in SK. I know I will be. If I get caught and banned, I won't be any worse off than I am now. Unemployed and looking for a (hard as hell to find) good job.

My bad. Thank you, Coach Cowher.


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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: To kevmar Reply with quote

BillCowher wrote:
You are in Japan so if you come to Saudi Arabia you better soak up looking at all those pretty girls because you won't see ANY girls or women here, pretty or otherwise, that are not dressed in a black potato sack from head to toe.

You can make $2500 in Korea & look at pretty girls, drink beer, get a DL, rent a car, go to the beach, go fishing, did I mention see girls & drink beer? If you want to be a bit illegal in Korea you can pick up planty of cash doing privates. In Saudi you would probably be illegal anyway since most people are here illegally on business visas.


You did notice that kevmar posted his question on November 24, 2006

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BillCowher



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Dig deep in the muck Reply with quote

kevmar



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: Reply with quote Report Post
I received an offer from IH. Split shifts, some Thursday mornings, so a six day week. Much like I have in Japan, though it is informal in Japan - I work a six day week from choice (private lessons).

The offer came to US $2200 plus housing, medical, what seems like generous vacation (in Korea, most generous vacation allowances never come to pass) and a year end bonus of 1/2 month's salary.


You would have to dig pretty deep into the muck in order to get as low or as bad off as working for IH, Saudi. mr S. al (S) atani is the lowest sort of pond scum you are ever likely to encounter in this lifetime.

Personal experience speaks loud & clear.
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rigel



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: Dig deep in the muck Reply with quote

BillCowher wrote:
...You would have to dig pretty deep into the muck in order to get as low or as bad off as working for IH, Saudi. mr S. al (S) atani is the lowest sort of pond scum you are ever likely to encounter in this lifetime.

Personal experience speaks loud & clear.


Judging by what I read here, this guy has plenty of company. Many vultures have taken up position and are ready and eager to take advantage of the pickings desperation brings. These people are not bottom-of- the-barrel. They're in the muck that exists a foot below the barrel.
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