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Cubic09



Joined: 23 Aug 2009
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Location: Wellington, New Zealand

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cubic09 wrote:
I don't intend declaring this, as it has no bearing on my ability to perform the job. In NZ, you're only required to declare such illness if it does.


seklarwia wrote:
I'm afraid that this is simply not going to work. There is only sign for never having had any issues, or supply details and get doctor's ok. There is no room for omission in the application form.

And since they make it known (in no uncertain terms) that any false declaration will immediately result in your app being trashed, you're just going to have to tell all and hope for the best.


Thank you for setting me right, seklarwia. I thought this might be the case...there's a lot of gory detail around my hospital admissions that I would want to keep private, and it seems like I could still maintain that as long as my doctor can attest to me as being of sound health.

Glenski wrote:
Well, I've met 2 and one of them was a coworker. Both were probably diagnosed with depression (I didn't know them well enough to ask). One is still undergoing therapy, and the other was a teacher who spent a whole year going to work but not teaching a single class that year. Just showed up and sat around the teachers' lounge all day speaking to nobody.


That's horrible! I suppose nobody helped him/her at all? That's a situation that could be a real suicide risk Crying or Very sad
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, there are a lot of 'mental' cases in Japan that are untreated. Orthopedic rehab and mental illness treatment are pretty behind here many western countries. I still remember my first conversation partner telling me about her brother.

My partner (MP) Oh I have a brother.

Me (M) What does he do?

MP well, he's been sick so he stays at home.

M Has he visited a doctor?

MP No, he just stays at home.

M How long has this been going on?

MP 4 years.

M (4 years??!!) Confused Shocked

Of course, there are very socially withdrawn people in every society, but it seems to be tolerated more in Japan where some young people stay at home and only come out of their room at night to eat (when they hope no one will confront them).

OP,

I suppose it's not my place to tell you what to do (as it's not), but I would imagine coming over here would be a lot more stressful, so I can't imagine it would be an improvement on your current situation (stress- wise that is).

That being said, good luck with whatever you decide.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cubic09 wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Well, I've met 2 and one of them was a coworker. Both were probably diagnosed with depression (I didn't know them well enough to ask). One is still undergoing therapy, and the other was a teacher who spent a whole year going to work but not teaching a single class that year. Just showed up and sat around the teachers' lounge all day speaking to nobody.


That's horrible! I suppose nobody helped him/her at all? That's a situation that could be a real suicide risk Crying or Very sad
I think the doctor(s) advised him to return to work (it's so hard to fire someone in Japan, just so you know), and they probably just gave him a "prescription" not to work but merely to show up for a year. Nice if you think he was probably still collecting part or all of a paycheck. After that year, he resumed teaching and was fairly normally talkative and social.

The other person I know works in accounting for the police department. Depression hit, he was told to stay home for a month or so, where he did absolutely zero. Then (now actually), he returned to work for a few hours a day slowly building up time there on a partial paycheck, but essentially doing nothing but getting readjusted to the office.

Is this how things are handled in the west?
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Cubic09



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Cubic09 wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Well, I've met 2 and one of them was a coworker. Both were probably diagnosed with depression (I didn't know them well enough to ask). One is still undergoing therapy, and the other was a teacher who spent a whole year going to work but not teaching a single class that year. Just showed up and sat around the teachers' lounge all day speaking to nobody.


That's horrible! I suppose nobody helped him/her at all? That's a situation that could be a real suicide risk Crying or Very sad
I think the doctor(s) advised him to return to work (it's so hard to fire someone in Japan, just so you know), and they probably just gave him a "prescription" not to work but merely to show up for a year. Nice if you think he was probably still collecting part or all of a paycheck. After that year, he resumed teaching and was fairly normally talkative and social.

The other person I know works in accounting for the police department. Depression hit, he was told to stay home for a month or so, where he did absolutely zero. Then (now actually), he returned to work for a few hours a day slowly building up time there on a partial paycheck, but essentially doing nothing but getting readjusted to the office.

Is this how things are handled in the west?


That's a strange question...you're not a Westerner then? Companies are obviously not meant to discriminate, though I'm sure some do.

In my experience, my boss gave me two weeks off (paid) no questions asked. But I have an exceptional boss - such a response would be rare.

I think most employers would give you some latitude, however for a lot of jobs this simply isn't possible - many people I know who have been ill don't actually work, which I think is stupid - it's not a death sentence! Shocked

I agree with the previous posts that talk about the tremendous stress that JET might involve - at least initially - and this is why I am exploring this early, so I can make these decisions with a clear head and without any pressure.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cubic09 wrote:
That's a strange question...you're not a Westerner then?
I'm American but I haven't lived in the USA for over a decade.

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I think most employers would give you some latitude,
Bear in mind that unless you are on your death bed here, you shouldn't expect to get paid time off. Seriously.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:

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I think most employers would give you some latitude,
Bear in mind that unless you are on your death bed here, you shouldn't expect to get paid time off. Seriously.


Especially if you tell them you are experiencing symptoms of depression if you didn't tell them of it before. If you don't then say that it's something you've been dealing with, then they will probably say you're 'homesick', and the best cure is to concentrate on your job and just do your thing (which is actually very true for a lot of people). And if you do tell them that it's something you've been dealing with, they'll wonder why they didn't know before you arrived.

This is Japan. People sit at their desk for up to twelve hours a day even when there aren't any classes. Teachers drink coffee, surf the internet read the paper, fall asleep while reading the paper- but they do not take time off.

It's part of why the new flu is such a worry in this country. Typically, with colds and flu, people put on a white ninja mask to show everybody that they're a martyr and keep working, infecting every single other person in the office. To do any less might be seen as shirking their duty (their duty to read the paper until they pass out on it if there isn't anything else to do).

The teacher's room and during holidays for JHS and elem. ALTs the BoE are brutal. They're actually one of the main reasons why half of all people leave the JET program after only one year. A common workshop in JET prefectural conferences is how to cope with them, and not just in a sort of 'how to be a useful employee' but more 'things you can do to keep it together and not pull a midnight run when you have over a month of BoE days in a row'.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cubic09 wrote:

Thank you for setting me right, seklarwia. I thought this might be the case...there's a lot of gory detail around my hospital admissions that I would want to keep private, and it seems like I could still maintain that as long as my doctor can attest to me as being of sound health.


Definately the way to go if possible.

I can't remember the exact content of that part of the app since it wasn't something I needed to worry about, but I think that you could probably give the facts minus the gory details (and if your doctor gives you the go ahead and it is required, don't see why they can't do the same).

So more along the lines of "admitted to hospital on (date) - diagnosed with bi-polar on (date) - received ... treatment. Relapse on (date) - admitted for treatment - on following meds - condition stable" rather than going too much into things that will make the reader Shocked and immediately put your app through the shredder.

Once again, wishing you best and hoping it works out for you.
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cornishmuppet



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Location: Nagano, Japan

PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mental health problems are everywhere in Japan. I'd definitely agree with the 'under the carpet' comments though. I've worked with two teachers with problems, the first who keep disappearing during the day until finally he didn't come back, and the second was allowed to have a complete breakdown over a number of weeks in front of all the staff, doing the same as Glenski talking about, turning up every day but not teaching, just sobbing at her desk (and at one point on the floor under the coffee machine) until #finally# they signed her off. It was really really horrible to see.

And round the area I've just moved into there's some middle-aged guy who wanders around all day long urinating on people's gardens. It seems a day doesn't pass without me cycling past him while he'd trying to do his business. And in one corner of my garden (near the road thankfully) there's a small pile of bits of broken crockery which seems to keep getting bigger. My girlfriend thinks he's putting them there, having once seen him wander right into the garden (uninvited of course) and pull a piece of metal (an old bowl or something she said) out of a pile of old cuttings. It really freaked her out and we went round to the neighbourhood watch leader who said the guy is harmless enough but mentally ill (no &&&&, Sherlock!). Apparently he lives with his parents, one of whom is also sick, and the general impression we got was that we should just turn a blind eye. No surprise there...


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hopscotch



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 1:06 am    Post subject: Too Soon To Travel Reply with quote

Since you have already had either a depressive or excessive period this year, you might consider staying and working in your country until you have had a steady period of 2-years or more. You are going to a country that is completely different than your own. You will have to eat foods you are unfamiliar with and change your hours. Doing all that in just a few months after an bad period could destabilize you again.
Moreover, you will have demands of the job and training and of living in an area you are unfamiliar with. If you go to a rural area, this might be exceedingly tough and lonely and you might have no one to share your feelings and thoughts with. Best thing to do it remain at home until you have had a lengthy period of stability.
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Cubic09



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:22 am    Post subject: Re: Too Soon To Travel Reply with quote

hopscotch wrote:
Best thing to do it remain at home until you have had a lengthy period of stability.


That's the conclusion I have reached too. From what I've read, moving to Japan would be a big change, and would be a challenge to anyone whether they've experienced mental illness or not.

Thanks for your posts everyone; it appears that I might not be written off from the JET programme, as long as I can demonstrate that I can play my cards straight and be an effective ambassador for my country and culture.
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a co-worker in Japan that was depressed. he went to the doctor who said 'Do you drink?' to which my co-worker replied 'No.'

'You should start!' was the doctor's advice. Shocked

Before we get succumb to stereotypes about foreign doctor's though, a Japanese friend went to the doctor in the UK with depression, to which the doctor said. 'Your English isn't very good, that's why you're depressed. Why don't you go home?'

Unbelievable!
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BigZen



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a good article about mental illness in the JT today.

Depression and suicide


More than 30,000 suicides have been committed in Japan in each year since 1998. Although the number of suicides in 2008 dropped by 844, or 2.6 percent, from 2007 to 32,249, this year's trend is troubling. From January through August, 22,362 people took their own lives, a rise of 971 or 4.5 percent from the same period of 2008.

This year, the number of suicides in each month through August was greater than in the corresponding months last year. The economic downturn is believed to be fueling this trend. If the current rate continues, the number of suicides in 2009 will approach the most ever recorded in a year, 34,427 in 2003.

The National Police Agency has reached conclusions about contributing factors in 23,490 of the suicides committed last year. The most frequently cited factor was depression (27.6 percent), as in the previous year. A government panel on measures to prevent suicide says that many suicide victims suffer from depression, have developed a dependence on alcohol or have a strong sense of guilt about something.

Prevention and treatment of depression should be the main pillar of countermeasures against suicide. Such factors as loss of employment, business bankruptcy, overwork, divorce and the death of loved ones can trigger depression.

One problem is that most people do not have sufficient knowledge about depression. Efforts should be made to educate ordinary citizens about depression and ways of coping with it. It is also important to train doctors, nurses, teachers, local government workers, counselors and corporate personnel workers to identify signs of depression early on, and ensure sufferers receive proper medical and psychiatric treatment.

Often those who are driven to commit suicide suffer from more than one problem. Therefore, the central and local governments should make a coordinated effort to develop measures that can treat a variety of issues. For their part, companies should strive to create a positive working environment in which employees can feel good about their jobs, and offer support to those who are experiencing difficulties.

The Japan Times: Thursday, Oct. 8, 2009
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mickster12



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Too Soon To Travel Reply with quote

hopscotch wrote:
Since you have already had either a depressive or excessive period this year, you might consider staying and working in your country until you have had a steady period of 2-years or more. You are going to a country that is completely different than your own. You will have to eat foods you are unfamiliar with and change your hours. Doing all that in just a few months after an bad period could destabilize you again.
Moreover, you will have demands of the job and training and of living in an area you are unfamiliar with. If you go to a rural area, this might be exceedingly tough and lonely and you might have no one to share your feelings and thoughts with. Best thing to do it remain at home until you have had a lengthy period of stability.


Yeah, good advice. I've known some westerners with depressive disorders in both China and Japan over the years, and it seems a real mix - some handle it well (or even do better than back at home), whereas others do worse. The rural areas can be tough but I think even big cities can make you feel isolated if you aren't good at making friends and don't have a good support network - in crowded places with so much hustle and bustle, if you don't feel a part of what's going on it can be terribly lonely. That's not to say it won't work out, but I would err on the side of caution until you have a better idea of how much control you have over the illness. Best of luck.
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