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Stephen Jones

Joined: 21 Feb 2003
Posts: 4124

Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject:

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It seems to me that the thread applies to Bell\Obeikan.

I still have not seen anybody give a link to an official website that says women teachers on married visas can't bring their spouses. Cleo can confirm, but I thought there were many cases of this happening in the past.

sinemac

Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Posts: 21
Location: Menorca,Spain

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: which thread is this please?

Grendal wrote:

1.) If you are married and get a work visa here you will not be able to bring in your family on your residence permit once you get one (they can only come as visitors for three months). There is a thread on this board that deals with this issue if you want more info.
2.) If you are not married then you must be willing to put up with what has been mentioned in this thread and other threads for women.
3.) If you are married and your husband is working then this is the best scenario psycologically speaking. You and your family will have peace where ever you go. He will sponser you on his residence permit and/or you can get your own residence permit if you are hired by a company here.

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Chaudhry

Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Posts: 59

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:08 am Post subject: Can women work/Teach from home?

I was wondering if women/house wives can work from home e.g. tutions etc. Is it legal to do so?

sinemac

Joined: 14 Aug 2009
Posts: 21
Location: Menorca,Spain

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: Re: which thread is this please?

sinemac wrote:

Grendal wrote:

So it seems we have conflicting information as to whether a female with work visa can sponsor her spouse and dependents.
Obviously this needs to be clear upon formalizing a work contract.The second issue is if the male spouse on a visit can actively seek employment?

Citizenkane

Joined: 14 Jun 2009
Posts: 234
Location: Xanadu

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:13 am Post subject:

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1) Women can and do sponsor their spouse and dependents.

2) You can only legally seek work if you have a work visa, ie dependents can not legally seek work. However, the rule is often ignored and plenty of dependents - male and female - take up employment once in the Kingdom, though they will get few if any benefits and may get a lower salary.

Stephen Jones

Joined: 21 Feb 2003
Posts: 4124

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:39 am Post subject:

You can seek work on a visit visa; what you cannot do legally is take it up. However if you are offered a contract then it is I believe possible to change your sponsorship from your spouse to your new employer.

Grendal

Joined: 13 Aug 2009
Posts: 861
Location: Lurking in the depths of the Faisaliah Tower underground parking.

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:16 am Post subject:

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BURAIDAH � Officials have announced that the first ever all-female restaurant is to open soon in the province of Qassim as part of a wider project to train and employ Saudi women.

The restaurant, which will be located in the north of the regional capital Buraidah, will be operated entirely by female staff.

Abdul Aziz Al-Tuwaijri of the Qassim Chamber for Commerce had the original idea for the project and said that 200 Saudi women would be working on its initial first phase.

�The project will consist of facilities for small-scale family industries, a training institute for women to learn how to provide wedding and ceremony services, a dates factory, and a factory producing womens products,� Al-Tuwaijri said. �We are in contact with the Ministry of Social Affairs regarding the scheme,� he added. � Okaz/SG

yup

grendal

meyanga

Joined: 02 Mar 2008
Posts: 103
Location: Malaysia

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:02 am Post subject:

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So it seems we have conflicting information as to whether a female with work visa can sponsor her spouse and dependents.
Obviously this needs to be clear upon formalizing a work contract.The second issue is if the male spouse on a visit can actively seek employment?

1) Women can and do sponsor their spouse and dependents.

2) You can only legally seek work if you have a work visa, ie dependents can not legally seek work. However, the rule is often ignored and plenty of dependents - male and female - take up employment once in the Kingdom, though they will get few if any benefits and may get a lower salary.

I am female and my husband and kids are on my iqama. There are two other female teachers who I work with who also sponsor their husbands.

My husband works and makes twice as much as me! The same goes for one of my colleagues, so it is not always the case the dependents make less. In fact, I know of a few wives too, who through getting 'in' with a big family, are making a fortune by tutoring children with homework etc. 300 SAR per hour adds up pretty quickly!

meyanga Very Happy

rigel

Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Posts: 308

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:19 am Post subject:

Citizenkane wrote:

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However, the rule is often ignored and plenty of dependents - male and female - take up employment once in the Kingdom...

I would guess the rules are often overlooked for a variety of things. As long as you play along, do as you're told, and don't make problems, that is. If you get a job on a business visa and your students don't like you, you buck the authority, or are just an onery ol' cuss, the rules are suddenly looked at long and hard, at least in your case. Is this the way it works? If I point out in my contract that I am supposed to teach 25 hours instead of 35 hours (with no overtime), or get two months' vacation instead of getting only one and working the other, or am just a 'troublemaker' in some other way, will I get a visit from the immy guys? I bet I will, by jolly! An example will be made of me, no doubt.

Example-making works.

desultude

Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Posts: 614

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:44 pm Post subject:

rigel wrote:

Citizenkane wrote:

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However, the rule is often ignored and plenty of dependents - male and female - take up employment once in the Kingdom...

25 teaching hours? Is it a hogwon? If people start agreeing to that, everyone is screwed. Twenty five contact hours is way too many. Having taught university in the real world, where 12 hours is above normal and 18 is reserved for freshman ESL, and holidays were considerably longer, I view 25 hours with absolute horror! When do you get to prepare for classes and grade? Meet with students? Go to (arghhh!) meetings? Do the endless photocopying?

To me this is an indication of the Saudi "ownership" culture. They own you, so they work you as much as possible. They own you, so you have no right to complain. You are just being unreasonable, and, worse, ungrateful.

Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003
Posts: 3657
Location: Tuamago Archipelago

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject:

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If I point out in my contract that I am supposed to teach 25 hours instead of 35 hours (with no overtime), or get two months' vacation instead of getting only one and working the other, or am just a 'troublemaker' in some other way, will I get a visit from the immy guys? I bet I will, by jolly!

You really really should know what you're talking about before making silly conjectures like the above.

If they choose to employ you while on a 'dependent' visa, your employers are themselves breaking labour laws. So it would hardly be in their interests to report you to the 'immy guys' as they run the risk of getting fined - or worse - if it's found that they are employing people who don't have the proper documentation.

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To me this is an indication of the Saudi "ownership" culture.

Considering that 'rigel' has never set foot in KSA, it's not an example of anything other than his feverish imagination.

desultude

Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Posts: 614

Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject:

Cleopatra wrote:

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To me this is an indication of the Saudi "ownership" culture.

Considering that 'rigel' has never set foot in KSA, it's not an example of anything other than his feverish imagination.

Granted.

rigel

Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Posts: 308

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:34 am Post subject:

Cleopatra wrote:

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Considering that 'rigel' has never set foot in KSA, it's not an example of anything other than his feverish imagination.

This guy is starting to sound like a robot on auto-play. It's getting old, and, to be honest, rather annoying. Soon, my friends, soon. Let me find out just a few more things first.

floja

Joined: 08 Aug 2009
Posts: 10

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:42 am Post subject:

rigel wrote:

Cleopatra wrote:

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Considering that 'rigel' has never set foot in KSA, it's not an example of anything other than his feverish imagination.

This guy is starting to sound like a robot on auto-play. It's getting old, and, to be honest, rather annoying. Soon, my friends, soon. Let me find out just a few more things first.

That "guy" is a she (I trust by her name and what she has posted). And, agree with her or not, she is worthy of respect in terms of her knowledge. She has a hell of a lot more experience in the Kingdom than most, from what I have seen on the board.

rigel

Joined: 17 Apr 2009
Posts: 308

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:46 am Post subject:

Have you ever stood on the sun? No? You can tell me something about it, though, I'm sure. I don't know, though. Perhaps you don't know anything about the sun. Some of us do. And, believe it or not, we've never been there. The 'that person hasn't been there ever before so he doesn't know squat' argument has gotten pretty stale. Sometimes, some people can be careful observers and learn. It's easy to learn all there is to know at this site. There are only five or so white people who've ever been to Saudi Arabia to teach. And they all post here regularly.

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