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mcloo7



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:53 pm    Post subject: Best countries for non drinkers? Reply with quote

Hi, I don't drink and am wondering what countries you can get away with not drinking and not be thought of as ani-social or anything. I'm guessing in Korea it would be pretty hard not to drink because it seems to be ingrained in their culture. I'm thinking maybe some of the Buddhist Southeast Asian countries are more accepting of non drinkers, like Thailand and Taiwan. Or, instead of being more accepting its actually more the norm not to drink. Also, I'm assuming in Latin America you can do your own thing and not have anybody think you strange, like Costa Rica.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know Costa Rica, but in Ecuador, not drinking would be thought of as medium strange. Most people wouldn't object to it though. (By the way, are you a man or a woman? Women who don't drink are considered refined and proper...)

In Korea, though I do drink, I didn't drink a lot. It seems to be a social activity, but I didn't find it to be a social requirement. Dinners out with colleagues were usually booze free.

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Justin
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dharma86



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon an Islamic state would be your best bet.

Mainly the middle east...

Or also Malaysia or Indonesia.

Thailand is good too, firstly due to the large Buddhist influence, but it also has a Muslim minority so depending on what region your in the country accommodates for everyone from the non-drinker all the way to the binge drinker party animal.

China would be pretty safe for you because I reckon the tea culture would be just as big as the drinking culture. So you don't necessarily have to be drinking to socialise with the many people there.
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mcloo7



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. I'm not conservative or anything, I just don't drink for personal reasons. I don't think Middle Eastern countries would interest me too much. I read that alcohol is a huge part of the culture in South Korea, that its like the only way they loosen up. That could be way off though. I'm a man by the way. I love green tea.
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rusmeister



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My condolences on your attitude towards good things like beer and wine.

You want to stay far away from cold northern places like Russia and Scandinavia.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see how you can exclude any country simply because you don't drink. I mean, seriously, go to any country and if peopel off you a drink, just say no. If they push you lie, religious reasons, you're pregnant, a recovering alcoholic, have liver probs, etc. Not drinking really isn't an issue in picking a country. I've lived in Caech Rep, Scotland, Spain, China, Korea, and Peru and rarely drink. If I say no, people respect my decision. I don't think they'll think you'll be anti social, just order a coke. Being a woman, maybe I'm not pressured as much as men, but if peopel ask, I just say religious reasons.

BTW, China, has a strong drinking culture among the men, same with smoking. But religion is highly respect and if you say you don't drink becuase of it, things will be fine.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with naturegirl here. Drink or don't drink. To heck with people who put you down for not drinking.

I don't drink and have NEVER EVER had a problem with that here in Japan (or my home country).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
I don't see how you can exclude any country simply because you don't drink. I mean, seriously, go to any country and if peopel off you a drink, just say no. If they push you lie, religious reasons, you're pregnant, a recovering alcoholic, have liver probs, etc. Not drinking really isn't an issue in picking a country. I've lived in Caech Rep, Scotland, Spain, China, Korea, and Peru and rarely drink. If I say no, people respect my decision. I don't think they'll think you'll be anti social, just order a coke. Being a woman, maybe I'm not pressured as much as men, but if peopel ask, I just say religious reasons.

BTW, China, has a strong drinking culture among the men, same with smoking. But religion is highly respect and if you say you don't drink becuase of it, things will be fine.


I agree. There are a bajillion factors to consider when deciding where to live, but I've never thought of this one... (I do drink, though, so I've got a different perspective than you--but am socially "limited" in other ways--vegan, non-smoker) You can go out and order something non-alcoholic or, worst-case scenario, not go out--although staying home by yourself all the time sort of defeats the purpose of living in a different country, in my opinion.

People might think it's weird that you don't drink, but really, why should that matter? Everywhere I go, I have people questioning, mocking, grilling, and generally not understanding me because I'm vegan. It doesn't stop me from going out and it certainly doesn't make me want to bite into a big juicy steak. If people question you or offer/urge you to have a drink, just politely say no.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rusmeister wrote:
My condolences on your attitude towards good things like beer and wine.

You want to stay far away from cold northern places like Russia and Scandinavia.


I don't drink at all. I lived in Russia for a year and a half, and had plenty of friends who didn't drink at all, or who drank only occasionally.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, I would not recommend Cambodia to you.

Then again, recommending Cambodia is my raison d'etre!!
















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dharma86



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it seems that it's not about what country you go to, it's about who you associate with.

Which is pretty good news for you!
(but doesn't exactly narrow anywhere down)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
I don't see how you can exclude any country simply because you don't drink. I mean, seriously, go to any country and if peopel off you a drink, just say no. If they push you lie, religious reasons, you're pregnant, a recovering alcoholic, have liver probs, etc. Not drinking really isn't an issue in picking a country. I've lived in Caech Rep, Scotland, Spain, China, Korea, and Peru and rarely drink. If I say no, people respect my decision. I don't think they'll think you'll be anti social, just order a coke. Being a woman, maybe I'm not pressured as much as men, but if peopel ask, I just say religious reasons.

BTW, China, has a strong drinking culture among the men, same with smoking. But religion is highly respect and if you say you don't drink becuase of it, things will be fine.
I don't think you need to lie to people. If you don't drink and they still try to pressure you, just tell the truth (that you choose not to drink alcohol) in a firm but polite manner. If they still have problems with it then you politely excuse yourself and leave (or you can tell them that if they don't like your choice then they can shove their alcohol up their backsides).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think you need to lie to people. If you don't drink and they still try to pressure you, just tell the truth (that you choose not to drink alcohol) in a firm but polite manner. If they still have problems with it then you politely excuse yourself and leave (or you can tell them that if they don't like your choice then they can shove their alcohol up their backsides).


Ecuador, where I am now, is a country where alcohol is usually an accepted part of most social occasions. Still, I have friends who don't drink. I don't know why they don't drink. I don't care why they don't drink. Not my business.

I agree with Chancellor that pressuring people to drink alcohol is bad manners in any country.

I'm vegetarian, and often use the same techniques Chancellor recommends where meat is concerned.


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Justin
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mcloo7



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your responses. I have the same attitude that you all do in regards to refusing drinks in the states, but didn't know if there are some countries where its down right insulting to refuse a drink. Thanks again.
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denise



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chancellor wrote:
naturegirl321 wrote:
I don't see how you can exclude any country simply because you don't drink. I mean, seriously, go to any country and if peopel off you a drink, just say no. If they push you lie, religious reasons, you're pregnant, a recovering alcoholic, have liver probs, etc. Not drinking really isn't an issue in picking a country. I've lived in Caech Rep, Scotland, Spain, China, Korea, and Peru and rarely drink. If I say no, people respect my decision. I don't think they'll think you'll be anti social, just order a coke. Being a woman, maybe I'm not pressured as much as men, but if peopel ask, I just say religious reasons.

BTW, China, has a strong drinking culture among the men, same with smoking. But religion is highly respect and if you say you don't drink becuase of it, things will be fine.
I don't think you need to lie to people. If you don't drink and they still try to pressure you, just tell the truth (that you choose not to drink alcohol) in a firm but polite manner. If they still have problems with it then you politely excuse yourself and leave (or you can tell them that if they don't like your choice then they can shove their alcohol up their backsides).


I do see a justification for lying--it's easier! Again I must use veganism, not alcohol, as an example, but really, it's just SO much easier to tell people that I am allergic to certain foods (which is true anyway for some foods) than explain the ethical/environmental/etc. issues surrounding veganism--animal rights are flat-out ridiculed in many parts. And if choosing not to drink alcohol is ridiculed, sure, you can tell people to shove their opinions up their a$$es, or you can just say that you're allergic, and they're far more likely to leave you alone.

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