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havinganicetime
Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 14
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: Attack on prince |
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is this a sign that there will be another round of terrorism in the Kingdom? |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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...maybe...
...or maybe not...
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Dear veiledsentiments,
But is that a DEFINITE "maybe" or "maybe not?"
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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For those unfamiliar with the news item:
August 29, 2009
Would-Be Killer Linked to Al Qaeda, Saudis Say
By MICHAEL SLACKMAN
CAIRO � A suicide bomber who was trying to kill the head of Saudi Arabia�s antiterrorism efforts stumbled just short of his target and fell, detonating an explosion that had been arranged by an affiliate of Al Qaeda, a spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry said Friday.
The Saudi official, Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, who serves as deputy interior minister and is a member of the royal family, was slightly wounded in the attack in the Red Sea port of Jidda, Saudi Arabia, on Thursday, said Gen. Mansour al-Turki, the spokesman for the Interior Ministry.
The prince had allowed the wanted militant, who had come saying he wanted to turn himself in, to bypass security as a sign of good faith, General Turki said. The militant was killed by the explosion, the authorities said.
�He expressed his desire to turn himself in directly to the prince and the prince granted him his complete trust by requesting that he not be searched,� General Turki said. �And this is something that the prince does. It is not the first time, but it did not end in this deceptive manner before.�
Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Saudi arm of the terrorist network, claimed responsibility for the attack, according to a message posted on Islamist Internet forums and translated by the SITE Intelligence Group. The attack was the first terrorist assault on a member of the royal family in decades.
It came during the holy month of Ramadan, after a long day of fasting, when the prince was greeting well-wishers in his home. When the man was allowed to bypass the security gate, he stumbled and fell, detonating the explosion, according to Interior Ministry officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release details.
The prince was taken to a hospital, where he was met by King Abdullah, in a meeting broadcast on Saudi television. The king could be heard on the broadcast telling the prince that the man should have been required to go through the security measures, and the prince acknowledged that it was his mistake.
The attacker was a wanted militant who had insisted on meeting the prince to announce that he was giving himself up to the authorities, General Turki said. Members of the royal family in Saudi Arabia traditionally receive visitors during Ramadan and at other times of the year.
General Turki said that the authorities were aware of plans by Islamic militants to kill government officials and religious figures, but that the bombing provided a warning to be vigilant.
Prince Mohammed is the son of the interior minister, Prince Nayef bin Abdel Aziz, who is technically third in line to the Saudi throne.
In 2003, militants launched a 20-month wave of violence across Saudi Arabia that included the bombing of foreigners� residential compounds in Riyadh; shootings of Western citizens and the beheading of an American; gun battles in Riyadh, Mecca and Buraida; suicide attacks on Saudi government buildings and oil facilities; and the storming of the United States Consulate in Jidda.
The Interior Ministry responded with a crackdown that is estimated to have resulted in thousands of arrests. Amnesty International reported last month that �massive human rights violations� and acts of torture had been committed by the Saudi security forces in their effort to contain radicalism.
Six weeks ago, after secret trials, more than 300 militants, many accused of having ties to the Qaeda network, were tried and convicted, and some were given prison terms of 30 years, the Saudi Press Agency reported. Jamal A. Khashoggi, the editor of Saudi Arabia�s Al Watan newspaper, said he feared that the attack was a sign of a new tactic for Al Qaeda. Prevented by security operations from carrying out complex bombing attacks, he said, the militants may shift to strategic assassinations of leaders to destabilize the Saudi state.
�It is serious,� he said. �What I am afraid of is that Al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia will be transformed into an assassin�s group.�
Well, if that is indeed what is going to happen, EFL teachers are unlikely to be on the "hit list."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/29/world/middleeast/29saudi.html
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Middle East Beast

Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 836 Location: Up a tree
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Well, it that is indeed what is going to happen, EFL teachers are unlikely to be on the "hit list."
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WOW...what a relief. All is well. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Middle East Beast.,
Unless, of course, you're an EFL teacher who hangs around with the Royals.
All may not be "well", but if they're targeting the Royal Family, I doubt too many EFLers would become "collateral damage."
Regards,
John |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Dear Middle East Beast.,
Unless, of course, you're an EFL teacher who hangs around with the Royals.
All may not be "well", but if they're targeting the Royal Family, I doubt too many EFLers would become "collateral damage."
Well, John, you well know that some of us TEFLers have been a part of that damage as we taught (and teach) the military. One only hopes that the security is better nowadays...
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John |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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My former students tell me that what is interesting is not so much the fact that it happened but rather the fact that it got widely reported. However, I don't know if it is a signal that the government is becoming more open or if it is a signal that this kind of thing is becoming so widespread that they cannot keep it all under wraps any longer. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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So, let me pose a question? All you ladies and gents living in the Kingdom right now - does this "attack on Prince Nayef" make you feel less secure?
Regards,
John
P.S. I would add my own opinion of the "Prince of Darkness", but I fear that might result in my post getting pulled. |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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I thought it was an attack on Prince Mohammad bin Nayef, not Prince Nayef himself. That would have been much bigger news. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Mia,
OMGOSH - you're right. I should have known that. I also should beware of wishful thinking clouding my vision. After all, the "Prince of Darkness" is invulnerable.
Wrong Nayef - darn it.
Regards,
John |
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trapezius

Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 1670 Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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I am in Jeddah, and I don't feel any less safe.
However, it is significant because it was an attack on The Family after such a long time, and also because this was only the 2nd terrorist attack in Jeddah (1st one being on the US Consulate). |
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Citizenkane
Joined: 14 Jun 2009 Posts: 234 Location: Xanadu
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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is this a sign that there will be another round of terrorism in the Kingdom? |
Not neccessarily.
There has been opposition to the regime for many years now. Some of us are old enough to recall the siege of Makkah in 1979, which many saw as the begining of the end of the regime. Let's not forget that a king - Faisal - was actually assassinated by his nephew way back in the '70s.But the royals are still here.
Terrorist (or whatever you wish to call them) attacks are nothing new in KSA. They are probably going to be some sort of vague threat for the foreseeable future, but it's not likely this one attack is going to mean the start of some sort of new round of concentrated attacks like in 2003-4. Also, as others have said, teachers are highly unlikely to be in the firing line. |
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desultude

Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 614
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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Griff-James wrote: |
On Friday night, a colleague had a bottle thrown at him in Tamimi�s car park in Al Khobar. When the car came back my colleague stopped it. A twenty something Saudi got out and told him that he wants all Americans to have their throats slit. Then added that his brother lives in the US and loves it, but he hated America.
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If things get more political and attacks happen (has been argued somewhere in the news, this is likely to continue to be assassination attempts) then westerners may become collateral targets of general animosity. There is an undercurrent of hostility towards westerners, and attacks sort of heat up the general environment and create the potential for people acting out.
This has certainly been the pattern in the States! |
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desultude

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