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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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| As far as $$ expectations for the ME; every job posting I've ever read for SA, Abu Dhabi or Dubai was at least 3k/ month. I'll have CELTA and three years experience by then. Why would i get horribly less than that? I'm not trying to be defensive, just looking for answers... |
I don't think you'd get hired for less than that. I just think that it would be a lucky stroke to get hired at all with only a CELTA and three years.
I have a lot of friends who swear by the middle east as a place to live, work, and save money.
All have MAs. Several have PhDs, or are in process of completing them.
All had prior, verifiable university experience, post MA.
CELTA plus three years will get you in, in most places. In Latin America, where economies don't attract the most qualified, it would probably get you into the really good jobs.
But...most of the middle east pays a lot, compared to most places. Which means the higher end of our profession applies for these jobs. Unless you're highly qualified, it's harder to get in.
Best,
Justin |
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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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PS- I do know one guy with cert only who's working in Saudi now, but his savings aren't quite what you're looking for. (Pretty darn good, even so, though. Tells me that 10-15K US isn't too hard. But he's on a boring alcohol free complex in the desert and hasn't seen a woman in months. He emails. A lot.)
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Justin |
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Hot2GlobeTrot
Joined: 01 Sep 2009
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Location: Calgary, Canada
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Trullinger wrote: |
PS- I do know one guy with cert only who's working in Saudi now, but his savings aren't quite what you're looking for. (Pretty darn good, even so, though. Tells me that 10-15K US isn't too hard. But he's on a boring alcohol free complex in the desert and hasn't seen a woman in months. He emails. A lot.)
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Justin |
no point having alcohol if there's no women around....
but isnt that what Bahrain is for? |
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Hot2GlobeTrot
Joined: 01 Sep 2009
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Location: Calgary, Canada
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| As far as $$ expectations for the ME; every job posting I've ever read for SA, Abu Dhabi or Dubai was at least 3k/ month. I'll have CELTA and three years experience by then. Why would i get horribly less than that? I'm not trying to be defensive, just looking for answers... |
I don't think you'd get hired for less than that. I just think that it would be a lucky stroke to get hired at all with only a CELTA and three years.
I have a lot of friends who swear by the middle east as a place to live, work, and save money.
All have MAs. Several have PhDs, or are in process of completing them.
All had prior, verifiable university experience, post MA.
CELTA plus three years will get you in, in most places. In Latin America, where economies don't attract the most qualified, it would probably get you into the really good jobs.
But...most of the middle east pays a lot, compared to most places. Which means the higher end of our profession applies for these jobs. Unless you're highly qualified, it's harder to get in.
Best,
Justin |
as far as getting hired at all, I do have a cousin who worked in Dubai and said she could give me contacts. But there seems to be plenty of job openings around the start of the school year; there can't be SO many teachers with the flexibility to go on the drop of the hat, or who had been planning to go specifically there at that exact time...my degree is in International Relations with a focus on the ME; would that matter? haha |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Posts: 1317
Location: under da sea
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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well, I've taken a year of Italian in class (less than 120 hours) and I'm nearly at a conversational level already, and i started at zero. I've taken french in grade school and junior high and even now, before really starting to study it, i can read french fairly well, if not yet speak it. After a year, will i be able to write a novel in French? No, but the point is, for government work, to cut off the training time to get fluent. That said i've read that if you take someone who speaks english, no prior knowledge of X western Euro language and immerse him in that culture for a year, at the end of a year he'll be functionally fluent....and i'm starting way ahead of zero. Plus since i've plowed through Italian grammar (structurally similar) I wont have to waste time learning concepts. |
I don't mean to be a drag, but I think you should really take a closer look at the difficulty of the French language. I do not have a CELTA (university BA focused on TESL and a TESL Canada Level II professional certification), but I think you are seriously underestimating the difficulty of learning a language, especially one such as French. Yes, French is easier to read for someone who knows English (since many words have been borrowed between the languages), and knowing etre, avoir, etc. makes the structure more clear - but speaking French is no minimal task, and extremely difficult [for example, a simple word such as "monster" - "le monstre" (sounds like "l-mohn-s-t")]. However, French and English are very different in their structure, the ease of an English-speaker reading French lies more with various conquests and media than anything else.
Having studied French at the university level (and being a Canadian, from B.C. (who read food labels), married to a French guy, and has spent a lot of time in French-only Quebec community), I've got to say that it is a lot more difficult than knowing a European language (which can be anything from English, French, to Hungarian!) and immersing oneself for one year. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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Location: home sweet home
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Trullinger wrote: |
CELTA plus three years will get you in, in most places. In Latin America, where economies don't attract the most qualified, it would probably get you into the really good jobs.
But...most of the middle east pays a lot, compared to most places. Which means the higher end of our profession applies for these jobs. Unless you're highly qualified, it's harder to get in.
Best,
Justin |
In Peru, you probably could only make 700 usd a month at a uni job that will get you a visa. And about the ME, be prepared to fill out long applications and reference forms. |
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Hot2GlobeTrot
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Location: Calgary, Canada
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| Hot2GlobeTrot wrote: |
well, I've taken a year of Italian in class (less than 120 hours) and I'm nearly at a conversational level already, and i started at zero. I've taken french in grade school and junior high and even now, before really starting to study it, i can read french fairly well, if not yet speak it. After a year, will i be able to write a novel in French? No, but the point is, for government work, to cut off the training time to get fluent. That said i've read that if you take someone who speaks english, no prior knowledge of X western Euro language and immerse him in that culture for a year, at the end of a year he'll be functionally fluent....and i'm starting way ahead of zero. Plus since i've plowed through Italian grammar (structurally similar) I wont have to waste time learning concepts. |
I don't mean to be a drag, but I think you should really take a closer look at the difficulty of the French language. I do not have a CELTA (university BA focused on TESL and a TESL Canada Level II professional certification), but I think you are seriously underestimating the difficulty of learning a language, especially one such as French. Yes, French is easier to read for someone who knows English (since many words have been borrowed between the languages), and knowing etre, avoir, etc. makes the structure more clear - but speaking French is no minimal task, and extremely difficult [for example, a simple word such as "monster" - "le monstre" (sounds like "l-mohn-s-t")]. However, French and English are very different in their structure, the ease of an English-speaker reading French lies more with various conquests and media than anything else.
Having studied French at the university level (and being a Canadian, from B.C. (who read food labels), married to a French guy, and has spent a lot of time in French-only Quebec community), I've got to say that it is a lot more difficult than knowing a European language (which can be anything from English, French, to Hungarian!) and immersing oneself for one year. |
well, i guess we'll see....to be honest, i'm not sure i see the point of telling me I CAN'T learn it in a year. For starters, as said, i'm not starting at zero, secondly the structure is known to me. (ie, knowing italian structure, i've noticed that what i've read in french, i've picked up very similar structural points). Third, wouldnt pronunciation be the first thing that even passive exposure-being canadian-gives to one? I picked up Russian pronunciation very quickly, and there's no way French is more difficult...(btw, i understood the le monstre pronunciation before) |
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