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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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I think NCTBA was suggesting that the embassy crowd can be a bit... snobbish... especially with their own nationality sometimes.
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Linda467
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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I understand, not in mine when the Ambassador himself cheks the messages and ask his secretary to call nationals and make sure we all all the information that we need.
Pretty proud to be a citizen
No offense taken whatsoever guys in any way, shape or form |
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desultude

Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 614
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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Linda467 wrote: |
I understand, not in mine when the Ambassador himself cheks the messages and ask his secretary to call nationals and make sure we all all the information that we need.
Pretty proud to be a citizen
No offense taken whatsoever guys in any way, shape or form |
Where are you from? Lichtenstein? |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Dear desultude,
With that description, it sounds more like Utopia. Let's emigrate.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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veiledsentiments wrote: |
I think NCTBA was suggesting that the embassy crowd can be a bit... snobbish... especially with their own nationality sometimes.
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Whenever I speak of an "embassy" in such a, er...respecful way, I am always refering to the one displaying the Stars and Stripes. The one lodged in the DQ employed an exceptionally snotty crew. I know as I had to pass them up every day on my compound. And, the prices they charged for two lousy cans of beer was extortion.
Any other embassy that I may refer to belongs to the country of my wife and would be gravely insulted if offered money for a night of relaxation, good booze, and great food.
The difference was like night and day.
NCTBA
P.s.- I DID make a point of saying, "only if you are NOT American... |
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Linda467
Joined: 01 Sep 2009 Posts: 138 Location: A Secret
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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First of all sorry for the typos, my mind works way faster than my hands
I consider myself a world citizen as I�ve worked and lived in 3 continents happily and when in Rome, I do as the Romans do. Never missed anything away from home except my bed lately, and I make a home wherever I go.
My Mum�s Spanish, my Dad English and I�m kind of American by marriage although I prefer vacations to holidays, it comes from the latin rooted word and I�ve learned the dead languages at school too.
VS I share your preference for Humanities (History, Philosophy, Geography, Literature), I�m really bad with Sciences, specially maths except when they have some relationship with my pocket  |
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tefl2010
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 19 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:18 am Post subject: |
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I have had a meeting with the person in charge of hiring to Princess Noura at Al Faisal Academy...it was NOT a professional meeting at all!
First, the appointment was for 1:30 and then after waiting for 2 hours the person in "charge" of interviewing me has not even read my resume,
the salary was too low, no benefits, minimum of 30 teaching hours maximum 40hrs per week, plus preparation/marking, so I've asked when do we suppose to do these things with all those teaching hors and she answered me at home!
She did not have any official job offer the entire negotiation was verbally.
I've asked what was the reason for only 30 days of vacation if the usual here at universities is usually 45 days. She told me that was because of summer courses.
Finally, things in Saudi Arabia are getting worse, those recruiters are so mean, they do not want professional teachers - they want slaves! Actually they are getting poor English teachers from Palestine/Jordan/Syria who are accepting anything to leave their countries. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:10 am Post subject: |
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I hope you just laughed out loud and walked out on her... just as anyone should do with an offer like this.
BTW... in the Gulf, at university level, the holidays are from 45 to 90+... I had one job with 45, two with 60 and two with 90+. Conditions have been going down, but this is a joke.
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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45 days vacation annually ?
Standard at universities is 60 plus religious holidays
Do not accept less.
Let them hire teachers from Egypt and Palestine. |
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Linguist
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 202
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Let them hire teachers from Egypt and Palestine. |
Scot, I understand your warning others about this offer, but let's not forget that there are good and bad teachers everywhere. How many backpackers have I met who would be better at cleaning jobs (dirty jobs ?) than teaching.
Just because here in the Middle-East, Caucasian native English speakers are preferred, it does not mean that we have to demean fellow colleagues who are of other races. There are certainly excellent teachers among them.[/quote] |
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Citizenkane
Joined: 14 Jun 2009 Posts: 234 Location: Xanadu
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Actually they are getting poor English teachers from Palestine/Jordan/Syria who are accepting anything to leave their countries. |
I think that the real competition for native-speaking teachers won't come from Arabs or Indians but from people from the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. These teachers appeal to many employers becaue a) they're cheap (certainly when compared to graduates from the US or UK), and b) unlike Arabs and Indians, some of our geographically challenged students assume they are native speakers because, hey, they've got blue eyes and blonde air, haven't they?
In my experience, some of these teachers are very professional, speak excellent English and are in general good employees. However, I've known a few to have shockingly poor English - so bad that even the lower level students complain about them. In a place I worked in recently, I heard that one of the female teachers was so limited in her English that she couldn't participate in everyday conversations with her colleagues, and students went to the Dean complaining that they couldn't understand her.
Anyway, bad English or not, I do think they are the wave of the future in KSA. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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I have noticed on this branch lately... discussing these jobs with the horrid conditions and pay offered... that the English is often incomprehensible. I had hoped that these people were being hired for other positions like math or computing - since content teachers often show up here.
Now you are making me think that they may be teaching English. What a scary thought...
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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45 days vacation annually ?
Standard at universities is 60 plus religious holidays |
Well, Uncle Scott, the standard at KSA universities is not 60, it depends on your job title:
Instructor with BSc only get 45 days
Lecturers with MSc and Asst Prof (with PhD) get 60 days, this is what the KSA university regulations say.
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Let them hire teachers from Egypt and Palestine. |
Well, UK and USA, are hiring teachers from Egypt, Palestine, Lebanon, Tora Bora, etc.
Don't put all teachers from the Arab world in the same basket, as there are good and bad teachers from Scotland with blue eyes, as well there are good and bad teachers with black eyes from Baghdad! |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe it's just me, but I really didn't get the impression that Scot was denigrating Arab teachers. He seemed (to me) to be just pointing out that for obvious economic reasons, they are more likely to accept offers which people from Europe or the US would not touch. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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I read it the same way as Cleo... not that those teachers were bad teachers, but they do take treatment and salaries that most of us wouldn't consider.
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