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Which job: AES in Xi'an -or- Huizhou University - HELP
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NumberOneSon

Joined: 03 Jul 2003
Posts: 314

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 4:38 pm Post subject:

ChadwickKent wrote:

Crippler, I would extend the same reading compehension offer to you, that is if you were teachable, which I seriously doubt.

We are so lucky to have you here. Are you also British?

BTW, do you have any objective evidence of your reading
comprehension skills? After reading what you have written,
I'm not so sure I would take a degree as evidence.

I'd gladly accept standardized test scores at a graduate
level for comparison, though.

I usually score in the 99th percentile. Can you top that?

If so, then you may qualify to be MY teacher, but you would
have to leave the superior attitude at home.

NumberOneSon

Joined: 03 Jul 2003
Posts: 314

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject:

JamesD wrote:

I guess Wolff included this quote because it supports his arguments, not because it's actually true. It may be the regulation but it sure isn't in practice. The whole piece is full of twisted logic and irrelevant or outdated citings which seem to make the article subjective rather than an impartial reporting of facts.

It's exactly the same beef I have with the article. It looks more
like a one-sided smear campaign than a carefully researched
paper.

But, then, according to CK, I'm either a recruiter or somehow
biased because I actually worked for one of the schools mentioned
and didn't have a horrible experience.

But, I'm not expecting the Beverly Hills Hilton or the dream job
of a lifetime teaching in China, either, so maybe I don't read as
much into being promised "western style" living quarters as
some would.

I also understand that fighting tit-for-tat over contracts is not
the way to get things done darned near anywhere (unless you're
a lawyer trying to make some extra bucks). Even if you do
that in the U.S., you are likely to create an air of distrust that
will cause you more problems than you would have had before.

If nothing else, it will force the other side to become just as
legalistic as you are and drag you both down. I saw this
happen to a few teachers who tried it. It's not always a
smart way to get things done.

And if you keep pushing it, you may find people standing
outside your classroom door timing your breaks with a
stopwatch to catch you violating your contract. Some
teachers actually push it this far and THEN complain about
the behavior they brought on themselves by being
immature jerks.

When I worked with AES, they actually had a check-in sheet
that listed how many forks, spoons, and cups I should have,
but I forgot to count them. I probably left some extras behind
when I left.

Man, I got SCREWED...

skyline5k

Joined: 26 May 2003
Posts: 57
Location: Tangshan, Hebei

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2004 7:08 pm Post subject:

NumberOneSon wrote:

Well, let me tell you I once got a TV that WASN'T DVD compatible,and boy was I pissed! I nearly did a run on the school for that. Imagine the nerve of a school abusing me that way after I travelled all the way to China! Twisted Evil

Those *beep*! How dare they! But I'm glad you found the box. I'd have at least given you enough info on how to get it, although I can only point you out to the nearest comp market here.

ChadwickKent wrote:

Crippler, I would extend the same reading compehension offer to you, that is if you were teachable, which I seriously doubt.

Please stop now. As AES management, I'd have liked you to stop a long time ago, but you keep persisting. As a semi-regular poster, I feel you're annoying at best. I tried pointing things out, but it took everyone above this post to do the same. I'll post as AES if I have to and defend the company that I work for, but I'll be damned if you try to insult my remarks personally. I've asked you, Chad, time and time again to provide the proof that you have on AES that we're violating these laws and you've come up with nothing but "the article said..." and "my uni lawyers say..." What the hell do you have to gain from that? You don't work for AES, and chances are, in Shanghai, you've never worked for AES. If you have, then tell me what your problem was. Why the hatred? I'm willing to bet that you've never even heard of AES before the recent posts, so if you're trying to gain face, get it somewhere else.

MyTurnNow

Joined: 19 Mar 2003
Posts: 860
Location: Outer Shanghai

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:45 pm Post subject:

Not all problems here relate to vague "foreign expert" laws or the lack of DVD players...

NumberOneSon

Joined: 03 Jul 2003
Posts: 314

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2004 5:19 pm Post subject:

MyTurnNow wrote:

Not all problems here relate to vague "foreign expert" laws or the lack of DVD players...

Yeah, I'm sorry to see those kinds of things thrown into the
mix. The complaints about trivial problems (or those common
to most of China like inconvenient heat, electric and water
outages) make it harder to focus on the serious problems.

To me, things like getting paid for your work on time and
being a legal worker are more important than roaches in
my apartment kitchen. I know how to buy bug spray.

I am not sure how to properly evaluate schools since each
one seems to get reviews that are all over the map.

It's pretty common in this forum to see one guy recommend
a school followed by another who slams it.

Quality control being what it is in China, it's entirely
possible that both accounts are true and there's no
predicting what anyone's future experience will be.

China overall is in desperate need of something like a
Consumers Union (publisher of Consumers Report) to
introduce fairly objective methods of evaluating goods
and services.

Anecdotal accounts have too many unknown variables to
be very valuable.

But I doubt that I'll ever buy a "Double Happiness" pressure
cooker in China after seeing photos of one that exploded.

Then again, who knows how the poor thing might have been
abused...

MyTurnNow

Joined: 19 Mar 2003
Posts: 860
Location: Outer Shanghai

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:55 pm Post subject:

NumberOneSon wrote:

Then again, who knows how the poor thing might have been abused...

I do, having been subjected to that abuse, by the executive chefs and not a line cook, in the very same kitchen that others' experiences lead them to praise and defend. It is not an experience I shall quickly forget. It is not an experience I shall ever forget.

I'm happy that some have escaped this fate. But "Hey, not everyone gets *beep*ed over!" strikes me as a pretty hollow endorsement.

#1, you remain #1. The abuses of treatment, pay, legality, ethics, and trust indeed remain the real battles to be fought.

MT

White Widow

Joined: 26 Oct 2003
Posts: 26

Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 8:18 pm Post subject:

I took the job at Huizhou University. The people are wonderful, they treat me very well, the apartment is excellent and they pay me a month in advance. It's been a far better experience than I hoped for. Thanks for hijacking my post.

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