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sharpe88
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You missed the point. "Native-speaking foreigners" does not preclude foreign-born Chinese. If a school is so fixated on skin color that it overrides things like experience, teaching ability AND accent chances, are they DO suck. They are probably obsessed with sales and not education.
(Of course, even if the school does hire Asian and black or other ethnicities, that doesn't guarantee they don't suck.. Good employers, as most here will agree, are in short supply.)
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Good point, and no offense taken. Perhaps undermine wasn't the best word to use. My point is that just because EFL employers in China prefer to hire native-speaking foreigners from the West doesn't mean they suck. |
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Bendex
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="sharpe88"]
(Of course, even if the school does hire Asian and black or other ethnicities, that doesn't guarantee they don't suck.. Good employers, as most here will agree, are in short supply.)
I agree totally with what you posted above.
That said, chances are that most employers who employ non-whites as foreign teachers of English will pay inferior salaries to them compared to what they would pay to white native speakers of English. The sad thing is that most non-whites offered lousy salaries are not in a position to reject them!
In truth, good employers are thin on the ground here. |
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Zero
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| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm still waiting for a sound clip of the Asian-American accent. |
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chinatwin88
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| Try watching Paper Son by Byron Yee. |
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alter ego
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| sharpe88 wrote: |
You missed the point. "Native-speaking foreigners" does not preclude foreign-born Chinese. If a school is so fixated on skin color that it overrides things like experience, teaching ability AND accent chances, are they DO suck. They are probably obsessed with sales and not education.
(Of course, even if the school does hire Asian and black or other ethnicities, that doesn't guarantee they don't suck.. Good employers, as most here will agree, are in short supply.) |
I'm not sure if I missed the point or was too busy making my own. Nitpicking aside, I agree with you and think more EFL schools in China should hire native speakers for their teaching skills and experience rather than skin color and ethnicity. I'm curious, though, why you think the term "native-speaking foreigners" might not preclude "foreign-born Chinese". Isn't that an oxymoron? If you're Chinese why would it matter where you were born? Even if you're a Chinese Canadian born in Canada, you're still of Chinese descent, which ethnically precludes you from being a true "foreigner" in the country from which you descended. Please let me know if I missed the point again!  |
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chinatwin88
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| "Native-speaking foreigners" does not preclude foreign-born Chinese. |
I am afraid in most cases it does.
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| I'm curious, though, why you think the term "native-speaking foreigners" might not preclude "foreign-born Chinese". Isn't that an oxymoron? If you're Chinese why would it matter where you were born? Even if you're a Chinese Canadian born in Canada, you're still of Chinese descent, |
All I think it makes you light of the ethnic identity is unmarketable. It is not the normal operating procedure of the Chinese to include another Chinese just cause they look similar any more than it is for "on the block" born blacks to recognize Caribbean and African blacks as belonging to the same social structure. |
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alter ego
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| It is not the normal operating procedure of the Chinese to include another Chinese just cause they look similar any more than it is for "on the block" born blacks to recognize Caribbean and African blacks as belonging to the same social structure. |
Yes, which is to say that it is the normal operating procedure of the Chinese (and schools and employers in China) to exclude Chinese-looking "foreigners" just because they look so similar. Like it or not (hey, I don't like it either), this makes it harder for native-speaking Chinese Canadians and Americans to find EFL teaching jobs in China. |
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chinatwin88
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While the practice may seem behind the times, a white foreigner offers a teacher and a marketing aspect of the new hire.
According to this line of thought a white foreigner offers better qualification for the position as not only can they provide an employee but also increase market share.
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| Of course, even if the school does hire Asian and black or other ethnicities, that doesn't guarantee they don't suck.. Good employers, as most here will agree, are in short supply.) |
I would say that a school that allowed a liberated hiring practice (of hiring blacks or foreign born of Chinese heritage) should be inspected with a cautious eye as this is counter to business practice in china and as you say, good employers are hard to find anywhere. I would assume that they don�t pay as high of a pay scale cause quite frankly, they don�t have to pay people of color the same rate to guarantee there attendance in class. I would also look at the licensing of this school as well as the papered foreign employees to see what I would have to deal with as to permits. Living condition needs may not be perceived as high as expected by an employer with a foreign born white staff. |
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chinatwin88
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It works both ways in china.
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I changed the number but the ad was placed on the beijinger website |
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