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Mercury Morris
Joined: 28 Jun 2009 Posts: 27 Location: Prague
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: ESL teaching: "real job" or just "working hol |
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Hello All,
I've been doing some soul searching about ESL teaching as of late. And, while ESL teaching is a great way to "see the world" and meet folks from far away lands, I think ESL teaching is...er....not a "real job".
Yes--I know many of you have been doing it for years and years here, there and everywhere. Yes--I know some ESL teachers are making OK money ($2,000/month Taiwan, for example, or living in some dreadful compound in Saudi Arabia for even more). But let's face it: ESL teachers are arguably at the low end of the "teacher spectrum": high school teachers, university teachers, college teachers are all generally higher paid, get benefits and are considered "professionals" (ESL teachers aren't professionals in my opinion). I mean, most ESL teachers are youngsters who just finished their undergrad degrees and are doing ESL teaching abroad as a way to goof off for a bit before they get a "real job" back where they came from.
Although nobody likes to overtly say it, there are "little clues" that ESL teaching is still kind of a goof-off job. For example: I've taught at a number of ESL schools in Canada, and the teachers generally could care less about each other. Professionalism is definitely lacking. Morale is low (though nobody says it out loud it is written on their faces). Depreciating jokes are often heard about how one's spouse has "the real job", for example. Or how ESL teachers come and go like the wind at a school, and nobody notices or really cares.
It was the same in Prague: I could not believe some of the ESL teachers at the school I worked at: alcoholics, drifters, transients--anybody barely breathing who was a native speaker was good enough for the school or so it seemed. Yes they had their TESOL certificate or whatever, but they were still *beep*-offs. And the stories over a few pints of beer about these blokes: many of them running from whatever back home where they're from: broken relationships, running from the law, broken lives--hence living in Prague teaching ESL and drinking themselves blind. And how the DOSs at schools screw teachers around, like they are disposable napkins. In all honesty ESL teaching is on par with being an office temp sometimes.
Yes, of course there are exceptions to the rule where somebody is making out well teaching ESL. But let's face it: ESL for most people is a very low paying job with little or no job security, living out of a suitcase and living hand to mouth. These are the facts. I know them from direct experience. YES--it is a GREAT WAY to see the world...but not a way to make a living (unless you are quite unconventional and enjoy living out of a suitcase for years on end). Many ESL teachers I encountered in Prague were complete *beep*-offs, losers who could not hold down steady jobs where they were from, and clearly had issues.
I welcome any comments on this thread. I wish ESL teaching got more respect than it does, and that we all earned more money than we do. It can be a very demanding job at times and deserves better. Getting an undergrad degree and ESL certification of whatever kind was all in all a serious commitment and took a great deal of time and money to acquire. But after all this education and hoop jumping, many of us have no job security, low wages, and have drunks and losers for fellow ESL teachers. This is why I ask: what is ESL teaching? Is it a real job? Or is it a stepping stone until one can figure out their true calling, or whatever? Or will it always be a "goof off" job for youngsters, alcoholics, run aways, etc? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:37 am Post subject: Re: ESL teaching: "real job" or just "working |
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| Mercury Morris wrote: |
Hello All,
I've been doing some soul searching about ESL teaching as of late. And, while ESL teaching is a great way to "see the world" and meet folks from far away lands, I think ESL teaching is...er....not a "real job". |
Uh, not a stellar way to start a thread. Let's see more...
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| Yes--I know many of you have been doing it for years and years here, there and everywhere. Yes--I know some ESL teachers are making OK money ($2,000/month Taiwan, for example, or living in some dreadful compound in Saudi Arabia for even more). But let's face it: ESL teachers are arguably at the low end of the "teacher spectrum": high school teachers, university teachers, college teachers are all generally higher paid, get benefits and are considered "professionals" (ESL teachers aren't professionals in my opinion). |
You don't seem to realize that ESL[sic] teachers include all of those categories. You're only focusing on (it seems) conversation schools...?
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| I mean, most ESL teachers are youngsters who just finished their undergrad degrees and are doing ESL teaching abroad as a way to goof off for a bit before they get a "real job" back where they came from. |
Many are, yes, but I don't think you can safely say most. Where are your numbers coming from?
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Although nobody likes to overtly say it, there are "little clues" that ESL teaching is still kind of a goof-off job. For example: I've taught at a number of ESL schools in Canada, and the teachers generally could care less about each other. Professionalism is definitely lacking. Morale is low (though nobody says it out loud it is written on their faces). Depreciating jokes are often heard about how one's spouse has "the real job", for example. Or how ESL teachers come and go like the wind at a school, and nobody notices or really cares.
It was the same in Prague: |
Perhaps a different crowd of associates is in order. Most of the people I've trained or worked with have been quite positive and intelligent. Whether they are respected by their employers is a case by case thing, but most of my colleagues have been quite professional.
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| Yes, of course there are exceptions to the rule where somebody is making out well teaching ESL. But let's face it: ESL for most people is a very low paying job with little or no job security, living out of a suitcase and living hand to mouth. |
Again with the unsupported statements. Let me ask you this. Have you (or your associates) ever joined a professional teacher's organization? IATEFL, JALT, ETJ, whatever.
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| These are the facts. I know them from direct experience. |
These are your facts and opinions based on [u]your experiences. Don't generalize for the rest of the 200 nations of the world.
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| I welcome any comments on this thread. |
Good, I think you're going to get them. Let's all be nice.
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| I wish ESL teaching got more respect than it does, and that we all earned more money than we do. |
Don't we all?
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| This is why I ask: what is ESL teaching? Is it a real job? Or is it a stepping stone until one can figure out their true calling, or whatever? Or will it always be a "goof off" job for youngsters, alcoholics, run aways, etc? |
It's all of those, including real job. It's what you make of it. Professional organizations, presentations, career development, moving up the ladder, paying one's dues, etc. all help to contribute to a better career. Have you done any of those things, by the way? |
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RollingStone
Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 138
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:20 am Post subject: Re: ESL teaching: "real job" or just "working |
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| Mercury Morris wrote: |
| Getting an undergrad degree and ESL certification of whatever kind was all in all a serious commitment and took a great deal of time and money to acquire. But after all this education and hoop jumping, many of us have no job security, low wages, and have drunks and losers for fellow ESL teachers. This is why I ask: what is ESL teaching? Is it a real job? Or is it a stepping stone until one can figure out their true calling, or whatever? Or will it always be a "goof off" job for youngsters, alcoholics, run aways, etc? |
...you got a BA so you could work in TESL?
The ending was nice, had a twist I didnt see coming. You actually concluded that TESL is actually deserving of much more respect and better conditions, yet your entire post seemed to heading in the opposite direction. You should write screenplays.
`All this education`...? Seriously? Look, to get a BA you simply show up and hand something in and they give you a grade. Albeit a low one, and one that is useless if applying for the type of job where GPAs are important. Hence, anyone with a BA may apply for TESL.
However, as our friend Glenski points out, it sounds like you worked in the sweat shop schools, not the universities or corporations etc (I hope).
Obviously there are those with advanced degrees who have committed much time and effort to their profession, and thereby have made it a profession. They probably arent in the same class as your losers. But your story doesnt surprise.
Your sole criteria for judging whether something is a `real` job appears to be limited to the amount of money made and stuff like job security. Well, many jobs bring low money and have lousy security. Some have good money with no security. Some have security but dont pay well.
I`ll throw this idea out there though it doesnt really jive with the tone of the OP nor the tone this thread will likely take (I anticipate a bunch of posts arguing for or against real job etc etc.. its a moot point). Work is anything you dont want to do but have to do. Period. And a job is where you do something you dont want to do but have to do. There is nothing real or imaginary about it. You are there because you have to be. So in that sense, I would think TESL is just about as real as any other job.
And to be honest, I would find the *losers*, the drunks, those on the run - those with *issues* - to be much more interesting than the cocky ex college kid who thinks he is slumming it until the world becomes his oyster. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: |
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high school teachers, university teachers, college teachers are all generally higher paid, get benefits and are considered "professionals" (ESL teachers aren't professionals in my opinion). [/i]
I am a university EFL teacher, and have been for eight years now, in two different universities. My colleagues, peers, and I are most definitely 'professionals.' We have decent pay, health care, pensions.
But a BA + TEFL certificate won't get one into the 'real' jobs - it certainly takes more advanced qualifications, just as any higher-level education job does. |
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Molson
Joined: 01 May 2009 Posts: 137 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
But a BA + TEFL certificate won't get one into the 'real' jobs - it certainly takes more advanced qualifications, just as any higher-level education job does. |
Give the man a prize! This should be stickied in every section of Dave's. People fail to realize the truth in these words.
Spending an extra couple years getting more education does bump one into the professional category. |
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mozzar
Joined: 16 May 2009 Posts: 339 Location: France
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Out of interest: after getting a masters, are there any more qualifications that many ESL teachers get? |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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