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kingbee2009
Joined: 14 Apr 2009 Posts: 17
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:00 am Post subject: |
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Ok guys, and I wouldn't talk like that face to face if we were working together.
This is the internet and we can talk anonymously.
Yes I understand that to move to the next level I need to qualify more, and I keep telling myself to do it.
I've left it late for the new term, as I've had a few issues to deal with.
Thanks for the good pieces of advice.
Best regards,
KB |
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nickpellatt
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1522
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:29 am Post subject: |
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KB, I think the reasons for a better certificate have been made clear, and you probably understand them yourself...so I wont harp on about them. The answer you are seeking is just to find the cheapest online cert that will meet your employers needs.
It is definitely worth checking with them (or other prospective employers), and then trying to contact an employee to confirm they have similar certificates. Even send links to your employer to ensure they are happy with your choice.
I have looked at some jobs in Turkey and this is a lack of clarity over the type of certificates required .... my impression (based on the way some schools are very clear over type of degree, MA pref, and experience) is that sub standard certs may be a bit dodgy for many employers ... but that is just a guess.
I did take an online i-i cert, two of them actually. I know first hand how poor they are, and know from experience the schools that employed me with this cert also would have employed me without ... it was a waste of money really.
Anyway, if you do take the i-i route, the good news is the 40 hour cert takes less than 15 hours to complete. Well, it took me less than 15 hours and my IQ is closer to 100
Anyway ... do check, check, check with employers before making a course choice. There are a few jobs advertised in Turkey now ... email them and get some feedback on what they need.
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NilSatis82
Joined: 03 May 2009 Posts: 110
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
I know exactly how to teach people,
I'd hesitate to say that myself, after my 12+ years of experience, CELTA, MA, and other quals....though I'm a relatively successful career teacher at this point.
I think it might be fair to say that you've had a reasonable level of success and may have some talent for the job...but knowing 'exactly'?
Sorry to get pedantic, but we are language teachers, after all... |
Exactly. I like this quote:
"Good teachers are those who know how little they know. Bad teachers are those who think they know more than they don't know." -- R. Verdi |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Dear NilSatis62,
Your quote is true not only of teachers but of all professions and, indeed, of humanity in general.
Socrates put it this way:
"True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us"
Regards,
John. |
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NilSatis82
Joined: 03 May 2009 Posts: 110
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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I would happily go along with that. |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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kingbee2009 wrote: |
Hi and thanks
Some good info, which is appreciated.
This is what "Otterman Ollie" wrote in reply to a thread I started on the Turkey forum:
"Anything that is remotely tefly and on headed paper will do, the system in Turkey ( for want of an appropriate term) is unable to process your application to teach here without one."
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=75640
I was therefore under the impression that I needed the TEFL to process the visa.
Justin, I appreciate your comments, but not so much about the 'short-changing my students' bit.
For your information, during my time teaching English and Business English to Italians (adults and teenagers mainly), I have put more effort into my lessons than most teachers would dream of, and my students have learnt a great deal.
I know exactly how to teach people, and any TEFL qualification will not improve that, it's just a piece of paper to open doors from my point of view.
I was thrown in at the deep end in the Milan area of Italy and found that I have a good natural teaching ability, being patient and understanding, as well as being a people person and having the ability to structure and deliver quality lessons.
With regards to the online cert, it may well be a good option to email potential schools directly and ask them.
Having a CELTA in Turkey is definately not a requirement, it's just what the lowest they'll accept as a TEFL that's important for me right now.
Many thanks and best regards,
KB |
Think beyond Turkey. Think about the possibility that you might not want to do TEFL in Turkey for the rest of your life. At the very least think about making yourself competitive for the best paying jobs in Turkey. |
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kingbee2009
Joined: 14 Apr 2009 Posts: 17
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Guys you can nit pick all you want, but if I feel comfortable teaching at any level and get great results, why should I feel that I've got soooo much to learn as you're making out?
Chancellor, you're right of course, I've just had other stuff to deal with unfortunately and not had chance to get properly organised.
Cheers |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:17 am Post subject: |
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kingbee2009 wrote: |
Guys you can nit pick all you want, but if I feel comfortable teaching at any level and get great results, why should I feel that I've got soooo much to learn as you're making out?
Chancellor, you're right of course, I've just had other stuff to deal with unfortunately and not had chance to get properly organised.
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kb2009: I jes' happened onto this discussion. You cannot win here. I'm sure that you're a fine person, but I've read some very good advice here. With all of your self-proclaimed hyper-intellegence and all, yer lookin' fer a shortcut.
Don't take it.
It took me 10 years to get my B.A. in Education because I wasn't at the top of my game and I came from a poor (military) family. I don't consider myself non-intellegent...I was unmotivated, under-priviledged, and lazy. But, I perservered, which is to say that I knew that there was a golden ring out there for me to grab ahold of, but I'd have to raise myself in order to grab it. And, raise myself, I did...and grab it I did...but that was after years and years of work and practice and observing others around me.
I'm now in a comfortable place, providing my family a handsome living (for an English teacher) that I NEVER thought acheiveable. Don't take a shortcut...take the road less traveled. You'll be better off in the long run...if yer fer real about being an English teacher.
NCTBA |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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kingbee2009 wrote: |
I know exactly how to teach people, and any TEFL qualification will not improve that, it's just a piece of paper to open doors from my point of view. |
That may be a good subject for another thread but let me say this: there are good reasons why even the government indoctrination centers (public schools) in the US require teachers (not just ESL teachers) to continually undergo "professional development" by doing additional course work, attending seminars, etc. There's always something to be learned (or at least to steal from others to use in your own classroom). |
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coledavis
Joined: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1838
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Quoting Chancellor: "Think beyond Turkey. Think about the possibility that you might not want to do TEFL in Turkey for the rest of your life. At the very least think about making yourself competitive for the best paying jobs in Turkey."
I agree. Think also of being better at your job. Teaching languages is a specialism, and if you learn a few practical skills to go with the theory - which you will on one of the better on-site courses - then you will be doing your students, your employers and yourself a favour. As I think I've said on a similar thread, think beyond just getting a job and about what it will be like actually doing it. |
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